"MILKY"
05SEPTEMBER2008 - 12OCTOBER2013
5 YEARS OLD
05SEPTEMBER2008 - 12OCTOBER2013
5 YEARS OLD
A PET'S DEATH IS SOMETHING, EVERY PET-GUARDIAN INEVITABLY HAS TO FACE. IT IS QUITE UNFORTUNATE, THAT COMMON PETS SUCH AS DOGS & CATS, DON'T GET TO LIVE AS LONG AS HUMANS DO. AND NO AMOUNT OF PREPARATION COULD EVER MAKE YOU READY, TO FACE THAT DREADED DAY.
THIS BLOG IS NOT ABOUT GETTING REVENGE OR MONEY. IT'S ABOUT LETTING OTHER PET-GUARDIANS KNOW, THAT MY DOG DIED, IN THE HANDS OF AN INCOMPETENT VETERINARIAN AND FOR THEM TO THINK TWICE, BEFORE TAKING THEIR PETS IN THE SAID VETERINARY CLINIC.
ST. JOSEPH VETERINARY CLINIC
BF HOMES, PARAÑAQUE
BF HOMES, PARAÑAQUE
HERE'S THE LETTER I'VE WRITTEN:
TO ST. JOSEPH VETERINARY CLINIC MANAGEMENT
THIS IS TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THE
UNTIMELY DEATH OF OUR BELOVED PET, MILKY. ON 11OCTOBER2013, WE RUSHED HER TO
ST. JOSEPH VETERINARY CLINIC, DUE TO FEVER. WE ONLY WANTED THE VET TO LOWER HER
FEVER BUT WITHOUT OUR CONSENT, HE INJECTED IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE (IMIZOL®) INTRAVENOUSLY.
HE BASED HIS COURSE OF TREATMENT, SOLELY
ON A CBC TEST! IT’S NOT CLEAR TO US, WHY HE BELIEVED THAT OUR DOG WAS SUFFERING
FROM EHRLICHIA. NO TEST WAS DONE TO CONFIRM THE EXACT DISEASE.
AFTER MILKY’S DEATH, WE NOTICED OUR REMAINING
DOGS, EXHIBITED SAME SYMPTOMS AS MILKY. WE THEN HAD OUR REMAINING DOGS, TESTED
FOR EHRLICHIA, DISTEMPER & LEPTOSPIROSIS. ALL REMAINING DOGS, TESTED
POSITIVE FOR LEPTOSPIROSIS. WHICH PROVED THAT MILKY, DID NOT SUFFER FROM
EHRLICHIA. AND SHE WOULD HAVE LIVED LONGER, IF PROPER TESTS & TREATMENT
WERE DONE BY YOUR VET.
UPON FURTHER RESEARCH, WE DISCOVERED THAT IMIDOCARB
DIPROPIONATE (IMIZOL®) IS AN OFF-LABEL TREATMENT FOR EHRLICHIA AND IS NOT
FDA-APPROVED. BASED ON A CLINICAL STUDY, 1 OUT OF 13 HEALTHY DOGS DIED SHORTLY
AFTER THE DRUG WAS ADMINISTERED. THE DRUG IMIZOL® SHOULD NOT BE ADMINISTERED INTRAVENOUSLY OR INTRAMUSCULARLY. THE DRUG, MUST ONLY BE ADMINISTERED SUBCUTANEOUSLY, PREFERABLY IN THE NECK.
IT WAS EXTREMELY UPSETTING, THAT MILKY’S
DEATH WAS ONLY MADE KNOWN TO US THROUGH A TEXT MESSAGE! HOW HARD IS IT, TO GRAB
THE PHONE AND CALL US? WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SPEND HER REMAINING TIME TOGETHER.
NO PET SHOULD DIE ALONE! MILKY DIED, WITH HER EYES OPEN, AS IF WAITING FOR OUR
ARRIVAL. AND THAT IMAGE HASN’T LEFT OUR MINDS.
A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PHILIPPINE
VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, HAS ALREADY OFFERED TO HELP US REGARDING THIS
MATTER.
DOGS ARE NOT JUST PETS, THEY ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE FILIPINO FAMILIES. THEY DESERVE, UTMOST CARE THROUGH PROPER DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT. PET GUARDIANS, COME TO YOU IN GOOD FAITH, THEY ENTRUST THEIR PET’S LIVES IN YOUR HANDS. NO PET SHOULD DIE, FROM GROSS NEGLIGENCE BY AN INCOMPETENT VET.
WE'VE INVITED THE HANDLING VETERINARIAN, DR. PAUL JAYSON MANGUIAT & THE VETERINARY CLINIC'S PROPRIETOR DRA. GETTE BELCHEZ-CHUA, TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE, AT THE BARANGAY BUT THEY'VE FAILED TO ATTEND, ANY OF THE THREE SCHEDULED BARANGAY MEDIATIONS. INSTEAD, THEY'VE SENT A LETTER:
WE RECEIVED YOUR THIRD SUMMONS TO APPEAR FOR THE MEDIATION OF THE COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST US BY MS. SARAH ABRANTES. WE SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR OUR FAILURE TO ATTEND ANY OF THESE MEDIATIONS. HOWEVER, WE SUBMIT THAT THIS IS NOT DUE TO OUR WILLFUL REFUSAL OR DELIBERATE DISREGARDOF THE ORDERS OF YOUR HONORABLE OFFICE, BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS WHICH WE HOPE YOU WILL FIND JUSTIFIABLE:
1. WE STRONGLY MAINTAIN OUR POSITION THAT WE TREATED THE DOG OF MS. ABRANTES WITH THE DEGREE OF DILIGENCE REQUIRED IN OUR PROFESSION, AND FOLLOWING THE STANDARD OF VETERINARY CARE IN THE PHILIPPINES.
2. IN FILING THIS CASE AGAINST US, IT IS EVIDENT THAT MS. ABRANTES ONLY CONCLUDED THAT WE WERE NEGLIGENT BECAUSE HER DOG DIED WHILE UNDER TREATMENT IN OUR CLINIC. THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS CONCLUSION, NOT EVEN AN OPINION FROM ANOTHER VETERINARIAN WHO COULD ATTEST TO OUR ALLEGED NEGLIGENCE.
3. WHILE WE CONDOLE WITH THE COMPLAINANT AND WHILE WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND HER MOTIVATIONS IN FILING THIS CASE AGAINST US, WE ALSO CANNOT ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE SUBJECTED TO UNJUST VEXATION AND HARASSMENT. ALLOWING THIS BASELESS COMPLAINT TO PROSPER WILL ALSO CREATE A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT IN OUR BUSINESS AND EVEN IN THE VETERINARY PROFESSION BECAUSE ANY CLIENT WHOSE PET HAS DIED CAN JUST FILE A CASE AGAINST THEIR VETERINARIANS. WE ARE NOT GODS, VETERINARY MEDICINE IS NOT A PERFECT SCIENCE. NO MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY TO SAVE A PATIENT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTROL. EACH ANIMAL MAY REACT DIFFERENTLY TO TREATMENT, AND THERE ARE VARIOUS FACTORS AFFECTING THE EFFICACY OF A TREATMENT. IT IS NOT FAIR TO ACCUSE A VETERINARIAN OF NEGLIGENCE BY THE MERE DEATH OF HIS PATIENT, AND WITHOUT ESTABLISHING SPECIFIC FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES POINTING TO HIS NEGLIGENCE.
4. CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE NOT LIKELY TO CONCEDE AND CHANGE OUR POSITION, WE DO NOT SEE OURSELVES REACHING SOME FORM OF COMPROMISE WITH THE COMPLAINANT. MAY WE REQUEST YOUR GOOD OFFICE TO ALREADY TERMINATE THIS MEDIATION PROCEEDINGS AND TO ISSUE THE CORRESPONDING CERTIFICATION.
THIS WOMAN, CLEARLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. SHE WASN'T EVEN THERE, WHEN IT HAPPENED. SHE ONLY BASED EVERYTHING, ON HER EMPLOYEE'S STORY. THAT'S THE VERY REASON, WE WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AT THE BARANGAY, SO SHE COULD HEAR OUR PART OF THE STORY. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT AFTER MONEY OR ANYTHING. I ASSURE HER, OF THAT. WE WANT TO HEAR ANSWERS.
HERE'S MY REACTION TO THE LETTER:
1. I STRONGLY DISAGREE, THAT THEY TREATED MILKY, WITH THE DEGREE OF DILIGENCE REQUIRED IN THEIR PROFESSION, FOLLOWING THE STANDARD OF VETERINARY CARE IN THE PHILIPPINES. BEFORE A DOCTOR, PROCEEDS WITH A TREATMENT, THEY NEED TO PIN-POINT A SPECIFIC DISEASE! THEY HAVE TO BE CERTAIN, BECAUSE IT'S LIVES, THEIR DEALING WITH.
2. WE DON'T JUST FILE COMPLAINTS AGAINST ANYONE, FOR KICKS! HER EMPLOYEE, IS INCOMPETENT & LACKS PROPER KNOWLEDGE. NOT THAT WE CARE, BUT HER BUSINESS WILL SURELY SUFFER, IF THEY CONTINUE DOING THINGS, THE WAY THEY DO.
3. WE'VE LOST DOGS BEFORE, AND NO COMPLAINTS, WERE FILED AGAINST THE VETERINARY CLINIC, WHERE THEY WERE UNDERGOING TREATMENT. THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTROL, BUT IF THEY'VE FOLLOWED THE BASICS OF MEDICINE, THEY COULD'VE HAVE PREVENTED SUCH TRAGEDY FROM HAPPENING.
3. WE'VE LOST DOGS BEFORE, AND NO COMPLAINTS, WERE FILED AGAINST THE VETERINARY CLINIC, WHERE THEY WERE UNDERGOING TREATMENT. THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND OUR CONTROL, BUT IF THEY'VE FOLLOWED THE BASICS OF MEDICINE, THEY COULD'VE HAVE PREVENTED SUCH TRAGEDY FROM HAPPENING.
4. LET ME REACT, ON THIS STATEMENT, "THERE'S NOT EVEN AN OPINION FROM ANOTHER VETERINARIAN WHO COULD ATTEST TO OUR ALLEGED NEGLIGENCE."
IF THEY'VE ONLY ATTENDED, AT LEAST ONE OF THE THREE BARANGAY MEDIATIONS, I COULD HAVE SAID TO HER FACE, A LIST OF VETERINARIAN'S OPINION FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORING VETERINARY CLINICS AROUND.
DR. PAUL JAYSON MANGUIAT
WE TRIED TO SPEAK WITH THEM, USING THE PROPER PLATFORM, BUT THEY LEFT US NO CHOICE, I HAVE TO WARN PET-GUARDIANS, BY SHARING MY EXPERIENCE WITH EVERYONE.
AS FOR DRA. GETTE BELCHEZ-CHUA, MY ONLY QUESTION FOR HER IS, WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME THING? WOULD YOU ALSO DECIDE TO TREAT A DOG, WITHOUT PROPER TESTS & DIAGNOSIS? WOULD YOU ADMINISTER, IMIZOL, AN OFF-LABEL DRUG WITHOUT EXPLAINING TO THE PET-GUARDIANS, THE RISKS INVOLVED? WOULD YOU NOT GIVE THE PET-GUARDIANS, A CHANCE TO DECIDE, IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED, WITH THE TREATMENT? WOULD YOU ALSO CHOOSE, TO BREAK THE NEWS OF OUR DOG'S PASSING, THROUGH A TEXT MESSAGE, INSTEAD OF A PHONE CALL?
IF YOU ANSWERED YES, TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS, IT'S TIME TO CLOSE YOUR DOORS FOR BUSINESS.
AS FOR DRA. GETTE BELCHEZ-CHUA, MY ONLY QUESTION FOR HER IS, WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME THING? WOULD YOU ALSO DECIDE TO TREAT A DOG, WITHOUT PROPER TESTS & DIAGNOSIS? WOULD YOU ADMINISTER, IMIZOL, AN OFF-LABEL DRUG WITHOUT EXPLAINING TO THE PET-GUARDIANS, THE RISKS INVOLVED? WOULD YOU NOT GIVE THE PET-GUARDIANS, A CHANCE TO DECIDE, IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED, WITH THE TREATMENT? WOULD YOU ALSO CHOOSE, TO BREAK THE NEWS OF OUR DOG'S PASSING, THROUGH A TEXT MESSAGE, INSTEAD OF A PHONE CALL?
IF YOU ANSWERED YES, TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS, IT'S TIME TO CLOSE YOUR DOORS FOR BUSINESS.
I CREATED THIS BLOG, WITH A CLEAR MIND. AGAIN, I'M SIMPLY NARRATING MY EXPERIENCE, WITH THE SAID VETERINARY CLINIC.
THE LEAST WE CAN DO FOR MILKY, IS TO GIVE HER A PROPER BURIAL
REMEMBER... KARMA HAS AN ELABORATE WAY OF CATCHING UP WITH ONES ACTION.
UPDATES
FIRST OF ALL, THE AVALANCHE OF
SUPPORT WE'RE GETTING, IS OVERWHELMING! I GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE LOVING
SYMPATHY, PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN DURING THIS TREMENDOUSLY DIFFICULT TIME, AND ALL OF
YOU WHO HAVE SHARED THIS BLOG ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA SITES. IT MAKES ME FEEL MUCH
BETTER, KNOWING THAT, WE ARE RAISING AWARENESS. THANK YOU!
I HAVE RECEIVED, COUNTLESS EMAILS AND FACEBOOK MESSAGES FROM OTHERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR PETS. MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU... IT'S NOT EASY, BUT THEY'RE NOW IN A PLACE, WHERE NO ONE CAN HARM THEM.
WE TRUST OUR VETS ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. THEY'RE THE ONES WITH THE DEGREE! THAT’S WHY WE PAY THEM MONEY. WE, AS PET OWNERS, CANNOT KNOW ALL THE DANGERS, THE VET SHOULD! HE WAS NEGLIGENT IN SO MANY THINGS IN THIS CASE. CLEARLY, HE SHOULD BE CONDEMNED AND HIS LICENSE TO PRACTICE REVOKED. HOW MANY OTHER DOGS AND CATS IN HIS CARE HAS HE KILLED?
HERE'S A COMMENT, THAT REALLY STRUCK ME... IT'S LIKE, THE VET WAS FOLLOWING A SCRIPT! THE CHAIN OF EVENTS ARE STRIKINGLY SIMILAR...
FROM DRA. JOAN CLARENCE MORALLO:
"WE FEEL YOUR GRIEF. MY MOM'S TRUFFLES LOOK EXACTLY LIKE MILKY, AND VERY IRONIC THAT HE DIED IN THE SAME PROCESS. THE TREATMENT WAS NOT EXPLAINED, HE GOT MORE ILL DURING HIS CONFINEMENT IN THE CLINIC, THEN EVENTUALLY DIED. THEY JUST SENT MY MOM A TEXT MESSAGE THAT TRUFFLES HAD DIED THE MORNING AFTER! IMAGINE TRUFFLES WAS DEAD ALREADY IN THE EVENING BUT THEY JUST BOTHERED TO SEND A MESSAGE IN THE MORNING?? HIS EYES WERE ALSO OPEN, YES AS IF WAITING FOR MY MOM AND BROTHER :( ... ITS JUST SO SAD THAT THIS DR. DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO EXPLAIN THINGS TO MY MOM AND BROTHER. AND REALLY BOTHERSOME THAT THIS HAS BEEN REPEATEDLY HAPPENING BASED ON COMMENTS IN FB AND YOUR BLOG."
"I AM A DOCTOR TOO, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE DEATH OF OUR TRUFFLES COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. AS A DOCTOR, DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED, WAS THIS EXPLAINED TO MY MOM? NO! WHY? BECAUSE SHE WAS A SENIOR CITIZEN? AND WHEN MY MOM TOLD THE VET THAT SHE HAS A DAUGHTER WHO IS ALSO A DOCTOR, WHAT DID THE VET SAY? "IBA ANG TAO SA ASO" OBVIOUSLY BOTH SPECIES ARE DIFFERENT, KAYA NGA SA KANYA DINALA, HINDI SA AKIN. MY MOM SAID THAT SO THAT THE VET COULD EXPLAIN TO HER WHATS GOING ON, WHICH SHE WOULD ALSO TELL ME. BUT STILL, NOTHING. I WANTED THEM TO PULL OUT TRUFFLES AND TRANSFER TO ANOTHER CLINIC, BUT THE VET REFUSED."
"YES, DOCTORS ARE PROFESSIONALS THAT PEOPLE GO TO FOR HELP, YES WE HAVE THE CLINICAL EYE. BUT IT IS ALSO OUR DUTY TO EXPLAIN OUR DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT, IF NOT, THEN WE ARE JUST THE SAME AS GOOGLE OR OTHER SEARCH ENGINE. NOW TELL ME, WHY DID THIS VET NOT EXPLAIN THE DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT TO MY MOM?"
(TRUFFLES DIED, AT THE SAME CLINIC, UNDER THE HANDS OF THE SAME VET.)
DRA. JOAN CLARENCE MORALLO IS A REAL DOCTOR. YES! WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE, CLAIMING TO BE DOCTORS...
THE VET, HAD THIS COMING... HE WAS LUCKY THAT, HIS PREVIOUS VICTIMS KEPT THEIR SILENCE... THE BARANGAY KAGAWAD, WE'VE SPOKEN TO, EVEN RECOGNIZED HIS NAME! A SIMILAR COMPLAINT WAS FILED AGAINST HIM, NOT LONG AGO! THIS JUST MIGHT BE, THE KARMA, HIS PAST VICTIMS WERE PRAYING FOR.
I HAVE NO CONTROL, OVER THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS, THE VET HAS BEEN GARNERING. IT'S THE READER'S RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. THE SAME RIGHT YOU HAVE, FOR EXPRESSING YOURS. THEY'RE SIMPLY, NARRATING FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCES TOO. IF YOU'VE NOTICED, I AM NOT DELETING COMMENTS HERE (POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.) IF MY INTENTION IS TO, CONDITION THE READER'S MIND TO SYMPATHIZE WITH ME, ALL NEGATIVE COMMENTS AGAINST THIS BLOG, WOULD HAVE BEEN DELETED. I'M SURE, THE READERS HAVE A MIND OF THEIR OWN AND ARE WELL-EDUCATED.
WE'VE LOST BELOVED PETS BEFORE, BUT WE'VE NEVER FILED A CASE AGAINST THE VETERINARY HOSPITAL BECAUSE WE WERE SURE, THAT OUR PET RECEIVED UTMOST CARE, WHILE UNDERGOING TREATMENT. THE ATTENDING VET, HAD EXPLAINED EVERYTHING TO US, HE KEPT US IN THE LOOP, HE EVEN CALLED US WHEN HE THOUGHT OUR PUPPY WAS DYING... HE WAS EVEN TEARING UP, WHILE TRYING TO REVIVE OUR PET. WE WERE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH OUR PET, BEFORE SHE DREW HER LAST BREATH... HER EYES WERE CLOSED, SHE WAS AT PEACE. SHE DIDN'T DIE ALONE & COLD... WE STILL GO TO THIS ANIMAL HOSPITAL... UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DON'T OPERATE 24/7...
WHY ARE WE NOT RECEIVING, THE LONG OVERDUE, COMPREHENSIVE MEDICAL REPORT? WHAT IS THIS VET HIDING?
I'VE SPOKEN TO VETERINARIANS FROM, ANIMAL HOUSE PET CLINIC & GROOMING CENTER, HAPPY HAYOP VETERINARY CLINIC & GOOD SHEPHERD VETERINARY CLINIC. I EVEN CONSULTED, WITH AN ONLINE VETERINARIAN FROM www.justanswer.com AND PAYED ₱1470 FOR MY QUERY. THEY'VE ALL GIVEN THEIR HONEST OPINION REGARDING THE ISSUE.
ONE VET SAID...
"HINDI PO NAMIN GINAGAMIT ANG IMIZOL, MALIBAN NALANG KUNG TALAGANG, NAG-TEST POSITIVE YUNG ASO SA EHRLICHIA. BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE TREATMENT, KINU-KUNDISYON MUNA NAMIN YUNG ASO FOR 2 WEEKS AT KAILANGAN PO NAMING HINGIN ANG PAHINTULOT NG MAY-ARI AT MAGPA-PIRMA NG CONSENT FORM, BAGO KAMI MAG-PATULOY SA TREATMENT."
"HANGGAT MAAARI, HINDI KAMI MAGRE-RESORT SA PAGGAMIT NG AGGRESIVE NA GAMOT, TULAD NG IMIZOL, DAHIL MAY LIGTAS NA ALTERNATIVE NAMAN. AT BASED SA CBC TEST, HINDI NORMAL ANG BUN AT CREATININE LEVEL NG ASO NINYO, KAYA BAKA LALO LANG MAKASAMA."
THIS VET DIDN'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE ISSUE AND WISHED TO REMAIN UNNAMED. THEY CAN'T SPEAK AGAINST A FELLOW VET BECAUSE IT IS UNETHICAL, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS! YOU MEAN TO SAY, A VET COULD NEGLIGENTLY DISREGARD PROTOCOL, AND KILL AS MUCH ANIMALS IN THE PROCESS, WITHOUT FACING ANY SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES?
LET ME RESPOND, TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE...
1."HOW ABOUT I WRITE A BLOG POST TOO, APTLY ENTITLED: WHEN PET OWNERS PLAY VETS. YES SOME PET OWNERS REALLY THINK THEY ARE SMARTER THAN THEIR PETS VET."
- YOU CAN CERTAINLY CREATE A BLOG, APTLY ENTITLED: "WHEN PET OWNERS PLAY VETS" YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO SO.
2. "IM BOTHERED BY YOUR POST BECAUSE IT INCITES HATEFUL AND VIOLENT REACTIONS FROM PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN KNOW THE ENTIRE STORY, WHO DONT EVEN KNOW IF YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT IMIZOL IS TRUE!"
- WHAT MADE YOU THINK, YOU KNOW THE WHOLE STORY?
3. "PAANO PO NINYO NASABI NA BINIGYAN SI MILKY NG IMIZOL INTRAVENOUSLY?"
- IMIZOL WAS ADMINISTERED INTRAVENOUSLY. WE WERE THERE, YOU'RE NOT...
4. "ALL I CAN SAY IS, VETS ARE HARDLY RESPECTED IN THIS COUNTRY."
- RESPECT IS EARNED, NOT GIVEN. THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE NOTHING, TO EARN MY RESPECT...
IF I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER, I'D SAY THESE COMMENTS, CAME STRAIGHT FROM PEOPLE, WHO ARE CONNECTED WITH THE CLINIC OR EVEN, FROM THE VET IN QUESTION HIMSELF...
READERS OF THIS BLOG, MAY STILL AVAIL OF THE SERVICES OFFERED BY ST. JOSEPH VETERINARY CLINIC. NO ONE'S STOPPING YOU... AT LEAST, YOU ARE NOW MADE AWARE, OF WHAT'S IN STORE FOR YOU... TOO MANY PEOPLE BLINDLY BELIEVE, WHAT THEIR VETERINARIAN IS DOING, IS IN THE BEST POSSIBLE INTERESTS FOR THEIR PETS... IF ANYONE WOULD FACE THIS SCENARIO IN THE FUTURE, ASK QUESTIONS AND BE INVOLVED! DON'T LET THE VET DO, WHATEVER HE WANTS! DON'T WORRY, THAT HIS FEELINGS WOULD BE OFFENDED, BY YOU QUESTIONING HIM! IT'S YOUR PET'S LIFE! ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE US, PET-GUARDIANS, WHO WILL HAVE TO FACE THE TORMENT OF LOSING A PET, WHOM WE'VE TREATED AS FAMILY MEMBERS. NOT THE VET...
SIMPLE LOGIC... YOU WOULDN'T ADMINISTER A VACCINE TO AN ILL DOG... YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT, UNTIL THE DOG IS WELL. WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND, WOULD INJECT IMIZOL, A NON FDA-APPROVED DRUG, TO A DOG WHO WAS VERY ILL?
THINK... THINK... THINK...
IF THIS BLOG, CAN HELP SAVE EVEN ONE DOG, THEN MILKY'S LIFE WAS NOT TAKEN IN VAIN...
THIS BLOG
WAS PUBLISHED ON 30NOVEMBER2013. A DAY AFTER THE PARTY IN QUESTION, FAILED TO
ATTEND ANY OF THE THREE BARANGAY MEDIATIONS. I GAVE THEM THE CHANCE, TO SIT
WITH US AT THE BARANGAY, WHICH FOR ME IS THE "PROPER PLATFORM."
I've been going there for the past 15 years. I've had no problems with St. Joseph. Dr. Paul has been my vet for the past years and he is an excellent doctor. One must not jump to conclusions.
ReplyDelete"NO PET SHOULD DIE ALONE! MILKY DIED, WITH HER EYES OPEN, AS IF WAITING FOR OUR ARRIVAL."
ReplyDeleteThese lines made me cry. I lost a dog too in January and it was so painful. She died, and I wasn't there in the clinic. The vet told me that she was crying, maybe calling for me, before she passed away. I understand how you feel. Proper investigation would somehow lighten the grief you're carrying. Rest in peace Milky. :(
I used to bring our 3 dogs in their clinic but I didn't like their customer service! They're like robots and if you don't ask they won't bother to explain matters to you. It's like they just wanted you to keep coming back to their clinic for your money.
ReplyDeleteI transferred to another vet, did my own research whenever our dogs felt ill and never stepped again in their clinic.
Nagpupunta narin kami dati sa St. Joseph. The owner vet (Chua), once told us to euthanise our dog because she is old and blind, but she was completely healthy naman.
ReplyDeleteNamatay rin yung isang dog namin na na-CS ni Doc Chua because of a complication daw sa dating surgery na sila rin naman ang gumawa.
Major surgeries? Don't go to St. Josephs.
We feel your grief. My mom's truffles look exactly like milky, and very ironic that he died in the same process. The treatment was not explained, he got more ill during his confinement in the clinic, then eventually died. They just sent my mom a text message that truffles had died the morning after! Imagine truffles was dead already in the evening but they just bothered to send a message in the morning?? His eyes were also open, yes as if waiting for my mom and brother :( ... its just so sad that this Dr. didnt even bother to explain things to my mom and brother. And really bothersome that this has been repeatedly happening based on comments in fb and your blog.
ReplyDeleteI live almost directly across from there. I've heard countless stories of dogs dying because of "complications." We have dogs, and we never took them there. Bad press... with a lot of pet deaths and over-the-top prices? Nope. Not going in there.
ReplyDeleteI am also a victim of vet malpractice. My case happened in Animal House New Manila. I brought my ragdoll cat for an x-ray procedure for a routine check up. When my cat was brought out of the x-ray room, he was already gasping for breath and after a few minutes he died. I asked them what they did. Nobody wanted to talk to me. Then the vet on duty, Dr Oclarit told me that my cat was already weak when he was brought to the clinic. She was a liar because she was not even there when we arrived. They insisted that they handled my cat well. Good for her that I was able to control myself. Matt, my cat, was still playing and very healthy before I sent him to Animal House but failed to come home alive.
ReplyDeleteI understand how you feel and hope that you get justice from what happened to your Milky. My condolences
Same situation at Animal House in Makati. I've taken 1 pug, 1 shih tzu and 1 rottweiler there in the last 8 years and for some odd reason, everytime my dogs ever had to be confined even for a day, they would die there overnight. Just like clockwork. I should have learned my lesson after the first dog. My dogs sicknesses were not even that serious. It also doesn't help that vets have to give you a dead dog and a lengthy bill. My bill for my rott costed me 15k and they did nothing for her.
ReplyDeletevets and doctors treat their patient according to their clinical condition, not according to lab results, which non medical people like you rely on, if for example the patient presented with parasitic infection peroe eventually lumabas ang labs iba pala ang sakit, no one can question d doctor kse he treated according to presentation ng pasyente and based on experience, ganon dn sa tao, If you believe na mali sila then tama ka "based on yoiur research" which is malamang sa wikipedia ka lng naman tumingin e then this world will be damned dahil pareho na pala ang knowledge na vet na nag aral ng 7 years sa taong nagbasa ng wikipedia for 30 minutes, cguro ang mali rito sa part ng vet is the way they explained the situation, well that's my opinion, one more thing remember you're just looking at things in retrospect, alam mo na kse at this point na leptospirosis sakit ng aso mo, but days before di naman, di po manghuhula ang doktor mo kaya di pa nya alam dati yun, that's why you look like an expert kse youre already aware now
ReplyDelete"If you believe na mali sila then tama ka "based on yoiur research" which is malamang sa wikipedia ka lng naman tumingin e then this world will be damned dahil pareho na pala ang knowledge na vet na nag aral ng 7 years sa taong nagbasa ng wikipedia for 30 minutes"
Delete#1 - Paano mo nalaman na galing sa Wikipedia?
#2 - The vet studied for 7 yrs to become a vet or practice veterinary. Yun lang yun, he has the right to practice. It doesn't make him immune to contradictions, complaints, or criticism from people who are not vets.
3# - You contradicted yourself when you cited "retrospect". You defended the vet because he had yrs to study vs the complainant who only researched and had ample time to determine the right sickness. Now, if that "7 years of studying" is a really strong argument, then no amount of time to research after the death would be able to make the vet look like he made the wrong decision regarding the dog's sickness. Do you get my point?
#1 - i dont' know kaya nga sabi ko e "malamang", or probably, do you get my point?
Delete#2 - yes, kahit 17 years pa sya nag aral di talaga sya immune sa criticisms, ang point ko based on experience with thousands or hundreds of animals e me experiece sya compared sa taong me isang aso lang na alaga, do you get my point?
#3 - you didnt get my point sa statement ko, kaya ako nagreply....i didnt defend the vet, im an md rin, im an invasive cardiologist took my training abroad and practicing here, kaya i understand the situation, nasabi n lng nya mali ang vet kasi alam na nya sakit ng pet nya based sa other pets nya na nagkasakit later on, for all we know baka 2 sakit ng pet nya baka me concomitant na parasitic infection dn, what is most important e nag treat ang vet based on the pet's clinical presentation, which he could probably defend and justify, marami rn doctor ang nagkakamali but we can justify it, for example me pasyente ako ginagamot as tuberculosis but later on e di gumaling still presenting with the same symptoms, another workuo will be done, tapos later malaman namin cancer pala, kung idemanda nya ako e ok lng kasi everything including labs points towards tb which i can justify, kaya lng di ako tumigil sa workup dahil sa suspicion ko as clinician, which is hindi mareresearch yun sa internet, dahil based yun on my experiece, anyway i think the main problem here is the way the vet explained it to the owner, tsaka nga naman bakit thru text lang sila nag iinform, some owners really treat their pets as part of the family kaya offensive nga naman yung ganon, mukhang kulang din sa PR ang vet na tumingin, I think that is the main problem not really the treatment and is worth complaining
Doc (ill call you doc because you earned it), yung pagkasulat mo naman kasi talagang parang annoyed ka na tinitira ng blogger yung vet na may experince samatalang siya wala. Minaliit mo yung blogger sa paraan ng pagsulat mo kasi "malamang" nabasa lang niya sa wiki yung info.
DeleteKung hindi yun ang punto mo pala, eh nagmukang ganun kasi sinimulan mo sa maling tone. Pati ending mo ganun rin ang dating. Compared sa reply mo ngayon sa number 3 na may sympathy and logic, yung una mong message tinira mo lang yung blogger. Instead of making us understand how hard it is for you guys in the medical profession, it seemed like you were just telling us we cannot be right because it's not our field of expertise.
Now i understand your point and where you're coming from and thank you for sharing. At least now, we can look at things from another perspective.
I know that place! Our fifi (poodle-spitz) was confined in this place diagnosed with dehydration due to LBM. A day after the vet called us about her passing and when we tried looking at her remains obvious na pinabayaan sya. Shit was all over her tlgang hindi inalagaan! Badtrip yang place na yan!!!
ReplyDeleteI am a doctor too, but I believe that the death of our truffles could have been prevented. As a doctor, diagnosis and treatment should have been explained, was this explained to my mom? no! why? because she was a senior citizen? and when my mom told the Vet that she has a daughter who is also a doctor, what did the vet say? "iba ang tao sa aso" obviously both species are different, kaya nga sa kanya dinala, hindi sa akin. My mom said that so that the vet could explain to her whats going on, which she would also tell me. But still, nothing. I wanted them to pull out truffles and transfer to another clinic, but the vet refused.
ReplyDeleteYes, Doctors are professionals that people go to for help, yes we have the clinical eye. But it is also OUR DUTY to explain our diagnosis and treatment, if not, then we are just the same as google or other search engine. Now tell me, why did this vet not explain the diagnosis and treatment to my mom?
Dr Paul has been our Vet. We've had no problems and he was the one who saved Hachi from Parvo. St Joseph is still our pet's vet.
ReplyDeleteMy experience in Vet malpractice is, the Vet is not a board passer, nakaka init ng ulo, ang kapal ng muka maningil ng mahal, at sa halip na gumaling ang aso, lalong nanghina at namatay.
ReplyDeletePlease seek legal advice about your case. My understanding is that if the respondent fails to show-up after 3 summons, the barangay can endorse your case to be lifted to the proper court. There you can present your case to a judge and, if proven right, you can seek compensation for damages, grief, etc. I'm not sure if the vet can be sent to prison or if the vet will be punished by the PRC. If the responded still won't show-up, an arrest warrant will be issued.
ReplyDeleteThe barangay can tell the judge of the respondent's refusal to attend mediation and thus recommend that the respondent be cited for contempt.
Also, failure to attend the meetings would automatically forfeit any claims by the respondent to file for a countersuit.
I'm so sorry for your loss and i hope you find the right path and strength to do what your heart tells you.
7 years in vet school? Bakit nakalimutan mag-diagnose? Sa tagal, nakalimutan ang basics!
ReplyDeleteNakakaiyak naman ung nangyari sa mga dogs :( Buti n lng malayo sa amin yang vet clinic na yan... I bring my dogs to Carlos Vet sa Sucat Road lang next to Puregold and in my opinion they are the best. I dread the day my dogs will leave this Earth pero while they are here I will give them the best life I can. Sana makonsensya naman ung mga vets na ganyan.
ReplyDeletewe stopped going to st. joseph narin.. nagpunta lang kami dun dati kasi sila lang ang malapit.. so anyway dinala namin dun si elmo namin dahil may sugat sa buntot niya and ayaw gumaling sabi samin kelangan putulin.. eh di ok pero sabi ko as much as possible konti lang kasi hindi ko ma-imagine ang chowchow na walang buntot. so may natira mga isang dangkal.. one day pag bisita namin nakita ko si elmo tulog na tulog sa kulungan pero parang napansin ko may kakaiba. pagtingin ko sa buntot lumiit!.. PINUTULAN daw nila ulit!! nagwala nako dun.. hindi daw ksi nag hheal ng maayos.. sabi ko naman bakit hindi man lang kami tawagan at ipaalam. bigla nalang ginawa paano kung wala kaming pambayad?!?!... so nag sorry sila and all... couple of days later pinutulan naman!!!! WTF!!!! kung ganun lang din gagawin nila eh di dapat sinagad na nila nung una palang hindi yung nahihirapan si elmo... 1 month siya nag stay dun we paid over 20k.. napabenta kami ng cellphone ng husband ko ng biglaan dahil mga mukha pera sila....
ReplyDeleteAnd another time na may sinugod kami na puppy kasi pupu ng pupu.. puppy palang ha! emergency yun (at tumatanggap sila ng emergency, may number pa nga na nakalagay sa labas)... hindi nila tinanggap!!!!! they didn't give a reason basta hindi nila tinanggap! that night namatay yung puppy namin... :'(
My dog is prone to erlichia and this is the 3rd year she has it. She has never had a fever but limping is her symptom. My vet always does a blood test to check her RBC. If the level is below normal, she also does an ELIZA test which checks for erlichia. My vet has never prescribed the medicine you mentioned. It's always doxycycline, menadione, and liver supplements. My dog has survived her first 2 cases of erlichia while my cousin's dog, who didn't receive the same treatment, died. In my opinion, the vet didn't explore enough factors (blood test, etc.) or consider other illnesses. If your other dogs survived and another vet was able to diagnose them properly then there's something definitely wrong with the other vet.
ReplyDeleteST JOSEPH'S is the worst clinic ever....
ReplyDeleteI share my experience with veterinarians in Abanda. A few months ago, my dog was suffering from fever. My dog was only drinking water and never eat food. I was met with veterinarian Shelnutt Sam Dvm. He is a Veterinarians facility at 307 Main Street in Roanoke, AL. He is very experienced veterinarians in Abanda. After treatment, in a few days, my dog was good.
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St Joseph Vet Clinic has been my dogs' clinic for the past 11 years. Doc Paul Jayson is a good and compassionate vet and explains everything clearly from diagnosis to treatment. Likewise, Dra Gette Chua has done successful surgeries on my dogs. Haven't encountered any problem with them..
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad I ran across your blog. God bless your family! I hope your happy memories with Milky, will give you comfort. We'll be avoiding that clinic, from now on.
ReplyDeleteWhat a terrible tragedy! I am so sorry, you lost your sweet Milky! I cannot imagine the pain you felt losing her in such a way. I commend you for standing up during this difficult time, to make others aware of the life threatening side effects of Imizol. We, too often, give our vets & doctors complete blind trust! We need to question anything that is going to go into our bodies & the same for our pets. I know there is no consolation for losing your furry companion, but know that your blog has probably saved the lives of hundreds, and possibly thousands of other beloved dogs by getting the word out! I’m reposting this on my Facebook page, to help get the word out for you. And again, my sincere sympathy for the loss of your beautiful girl Milky. Stay strong! Milky's legacy will live on in your heart and the many she will save because of your efforts! I hope that clinic shuts down soon!
ReplyDeleteThank you for exposing what had happened as a result of your former vet’s incompetence. Hopefully this will help put him out of business for good! More importantly, this will expose the risks of this drug, this vet’s practice and will help ensure that your pet did not die in vain. Will do my part in spreading the word as well. Who would trust that bastard's face? Just saying...
ReplyDeleteWe probably would have done the same thing! Why? Because we're supposed to trust our Vet, being assured he follows protocol, never thinking that he would be so casual about a drug like this. Losing a pet is tough, but losing one this way is just horrendous! Report that vet and your findings to the PVMA and let them check into this (which I’m sure you’ve already done.) It sounds like a strong case of malpractice to me, considering you were not informed of the risks involved, adverse reactions, no waiver/consent form and the vet never spoke about anything to you. Please keep us updated and thank you for getting this out to everyone else. It may just save another’s life. Frankly, that drug should be taken off the market completely. I can only imagine how hard this is for you. I will also share this story on my page. Sending prayers your way...
ReplyDelete;( Kevin died also in ST. JOSEPH VETERINARY CLINIC
ReplyDeleteBF HOMES, PARAÑAQUE
I'm a vet also, and before I comment, I would like to offer my condolences for your loss. It's tough for vets also when they lose their patients. Before we become vets, we grew up with pets as well and we know how it feels to lose a companion. I'm sure your vet feels the same way.
ReplyDeleteI would just like to give my opinion with regards to imidocarb. I use doxycycline monohydrate for my ehrlichia cases, but use of imidocarb is also widely practiced. There are references also which supports this, for example Saunder's Handbook of Veterinary Drugs: Small and Large Animal. I don't use this drug for ehrlichiosis, and I don't claim to be an expert in its use, but all I'm saying is that there are published references which say we can use it. If for some reason doxycycline hyclate or doxycycline monohydrate is unavailable, at least I have peace of mind that there's another drug which my fellow practitioners have tried using.
Extra-label use of drugs is also practiced in veterinary medicine. For example, I'm sure some of you experienced getting a prescription of a drug for your pet which you then buy in mercury drug. This is done when a particular drug is unavailable or because of the experience of a practitioner with regards to the drug/s efficacy.
Another thing, there is a possibility of a co-infection. It's possible that a pet can have both lepto and ehrlichiosis. It only takes a tick infected with ehrlichiosis to infect a dog. It doesn't follow that if a dog has an infestation, it has ehrlichiosis already. In the same manner that even if the owner has never seen a tick on a dog, it's already negative for ehrlichia, because it's possible that a tick has bitten it without the owner noticing it.
It's also possible that if you have 4 pets, only 1 has ehrlichia and 3 others don't. We've seen that also in our practice.
Lastly, there are cases wherein the vet would treat the patient based on presenting signs and some blood works. Why? There are some reasons such as owner's preference, availability of tests, need for a speedy resolution to the case, recent vaccination (vaccination is a form of introducing an antigen, which your antigen elisa test may detect and cause a false negative result) etc.
I just hope that there will be a peaceful resolution to this case and in the proper forum. God bless both parties.
Mga mukhang pera mga tao diyan! Kung sakin nangyari yan, paaabangan ko yan... Isang tawid lang yan sa Dela Rama.
ReplyDeleteI am not personally known to either of the parties but I was drawn to comment because links to this post seems everywhere in the web, and I happened to have handle three cases of internet libel over the past year. The danger about social media, is its two edge sword. We know all its benefits, but we are also no stranger to the truth that social media is a powerful weapon for destruction. With push button publishing, people are quicker to react, and thats where the danger starts.
ReplyDeleteIts a good thing the author of the blog quoted St. Joseph's reply to the summons for their supposed barangay mediation. The Abrantes' did the right thing in initially elevating their complaint to the proper forum. But in availing a legal remedy, one must establish his cause of action or those facts that gives a person the right to seek judicial redress or relief against another. Courts will dismiss a civil case for failure to state a cause of action, criminal cases are not elevated to the court unless there is a finding of probable cause to indict a person of the crime or offense charge. This might be hard to swallow for a complaining party who has no evidence, but this is how our democracy works. The constitution protects the rights of everyone, even the accused against frivolous accusations.
Reading the reply of St. Joseph, it is understandable why they declined to participate in the barangay mediation. Had this been a case of res ipsa loquitor, for instance a scalpel left inside a dog's body after surgery ( the evidence is inherent in the injury itself) it would have been easy to pin down St. Joseph. The complainant could just present an xray or a picture of the scalpel in the dog's tummy where it should not be and the only reason it got there is the vet's negligence. I bet St Joseph would not waste time and try to reach a settlement.
But the argument whether or not Imizol killed Milky is a long winded debate, and the courts would need to hear expert witnesses and consider various evidences before it can even decide if the veterinarian is guilty of malpractice. I would give this 4-6 years of court battle, that is, if the case is not dismissed.
DeleteI was reading through the lengthy comments and I notice that unlike judges, most people here have already made their ruling- that St. Joseph should be liable for Milky's death. But I wonder if these people have personally consulted other vets to get a balanced opinion about Imizol. Finally a person claiming to be a vet expressed his views about Imizol, and I must admit it gave me a proper perspective in understanding this situation.
Under the law of torts and damages, a person can be held liable if a) his acts or omissions are proven to be negligent or wrongful, b) the complainant is able to prove damage and prejudice upon himself, c) there is a causal or direct link between the act complained of, and the injury suffered.
As to the first one(letter a above), it must be established that the administration of Imizol was wrongful under Milky's circumstance; that failure to conduct an Ehrlichiosis test prior to administration of Imizol is wrongful.
I will no longer speak about the second element because Milky's death could be a proof of the damage and injury to the Abrantes'. However, the causal link between Milky's death and the alleged acts and omissions of St. Joseph must be established (letter c above). The chain of events from the time the act took place, and the death must be unbroken.
Again, it makes me wonder if Milky was was seen by another veterinarian before she was brought to St. Joseph? Could it be that when she was brought to St. Joseph, her illness was already full blown, and her death a fait accompli? Was Milky confined at St. Joseph for a continuous period until her death? Or were there intermittent breaks in this period, for instance she was taken home and St. Joseph was not in a position to monitor her condition?
DeleteI might be boring you all with all these legal speak. But internet libel is a novel thing, although the law prohibiting it has always been there. Social media has evils and some lives have been ruined by it. I would handle this case pro bono, out of my curiosity how the law can protect an individual.
I will end my comment with an unsolicited advice to the Abrates: Fight for your rights, but dont get off track. If nothing came out of your barangay conciliation, then your next remedy is to file a civil case for damages and prove your case in court. But I don't think it was a right move to vindicate yourselves in the internet. You have just given St. Joseph the probable cause they need to file a criminal complaint for libel against you and those others who made libelous comments here, Mind you libel is punishable by imprisonment, and you could be a co conspirator of a crime, should Mr. Gimena push through with the threats he wrote above. It would be best to delete this post while you have the chance, but I think screenshot of the post could still be seen if one uses google search engine.
Good luck and I hope find a resolution to you grievances, by using the proper forum so you don't run in with the law instead.
Hats off to you Lean ! :-) Thanks for sheding some light on the leagl aspect.
DeleteAlso can you share a link to law about libel and social network for responsible blogging? Thanks
DeleteThis vet should have his license taken away to practice medicine, period!
ReplyDeleteIn addition, (if you haven’t already,) you should file a complaint with the veterinary governing association/board in your area (state/province/region/country.) They should then, investigate the vet and their practice to ensure that proper protocols are followed and they should take appropriate disciplinary actions. At the very least it will be brought to their attention. Proper protocols (running tests, proper diagnosis, the informed consent form and explaining what the drug was for before being injected to your pet, were not followed and someone needs to be made aware so that this veterinary practice does not continue to do this. Nothing will bring your beloved Milky back, but by notifying the vet governing association, you may help save other families from suffering the same loss. You are brave for sharing your trauma and pain. Milky and her new friends in heaven, are proud of you! Thank you.
DeleteSo very sorry for your loss...
I am a veterinarian based in Singapore. I have practiced small animal veterinary medicine in the Philippines for about ten years, a couple of years with a very known clinic, and the rest with small to medium clinics. All I can say is, vets are hardly respected in this country. And in my time, hindi pa uso ang facebook, twitter o blog ha! You can imagine the degree ng kabastusan ng mga clients. Most of them are the ones who are irresponsible, hindi nagpapabakuna, hindi nagpapa heartworm, then when their pets get sick and die, they blame the vet. Its very convenient for them to put the blame on the vet for what in their opinion should have been done. Like in one comment above na na heatstroke and dog ng bf nya. Kahit walang blood test, treatment can be done based on the clinical presentation. Hindi lahat ng vet clinic sa Pinas may machine for blood test, most send out samples to human laboratory. Sad to say, hindi lang ST Joseph ang victim ng mga tyrannical at abusive clients who resort to online bashing and bullying. Buti pa dito sa SG, clients are decent.
ReplyDeleteThat’s not an innocent mistake! This POS, knew exactly what this drug can do and all the adverse reactions/side-effect it brings with it. My guess is, they did know what was going on and didn't want to say anything, because they were already guilty... Don't mind the people commenting here against you. It's about time, someone stood up against this killer vets! Voice for the voiceless. Thanks for sharing this.
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I was a long time client of St. Joseph before my family permanently relocated to Cebu. The vets there saved two of our pomeranians from pyometra, though I wont deny we lost some dogs too while under their care. Im bothered by your post because it incites hateful and violent reactions from people who dont even know the entire story, who dont even know if your claims about Imizol is true! You're quite masterful in portraying St Joseph as a heartless scumbag, and now you have the satisfaction of having people hate them too, calling the vet a piece of shit. What's next- grave threat? My question is: Do you feel vindicated this way? If so then Im sorry to say that you are a very shallow person. Poor Milky must be whimpering in her grave right now, horrified how her death has made you act beneath your ways. Why dont you file that case now and bring out these vets who you claim will back your theory that St Joseph killed Milky with Imizol? Im surprised that they are not even posting any comments here to support your claims.
ReplyDeleteto st joseph mgt:
ReplyDeletehuwag ninyong papatulan ang pinag uusapan nila, hindi naman nila binunyag kung anung klaseng tao kayo, kundi kung anung klaseng tao sila.
Paano po ninyo nasabi na binigyan si Milky ng Imizol intravenously? At pwedi po ba na bago kayo manira ng reputasyon ng vet na ito, mag presenta muna kayo ng veterinarian na makapag papatunay na totoo ang mga sinasabi ninyo. Kahit isang veterinarian lang po. Bilang produkto ng UP College of Veterinary Medicine, at bilang lisensydong veterinarian, naiinsulto at nababastos din ako sa mga sinasabi ng mga tao dito laban sa vets ng St. Joseph. Hindi ko inaabswelto ang mga vets na ito pero hindi naman makatarungan na husgahan sila dito. Nakikiramay ako sa pagkamatay ni Milky pero gaya ng minority opinion dito, hindi ako naniniwala na sa ganitong paraan mo mawawasto ang pagkamatay nya. Sabi mo wala kang masamang intensyon, gusto mo lang magbigay ng pabala, pero mali ang inyong ginagawa kasi pinagkakalat na ninyo na guilty sa malpractice ang st joseph kahit hindi naman ninyo ito napatunayan.
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ReplyDeleteSo sorry to hear about your dog pero sa totoo lang tingin ko foul ka sa ginawa mo. Sobra sobra kung mag react ang mga readers mo, parang alam na alam nila ang lahat. Ikaw pa tuloy ang nagmumukhang masama dito. I had to edit my comment kasi ayoko kumampi sa kahit kanino, i just would like to point out na mali itong ginagawa nyo coz youre condemning people wihtout proper trial.
ReplyDeleteSir saan po ba kayo kumuha ng basis para sabihin na mali yung ginawa ng st joseph? Kay munchiemeadows74337 ng justanswer.com?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.justanswer.com/pet-dog/851w5-vet-injected-imizol-pet-shih-tzu-without-knowing.html
I can really feel your pain and desperation in trying to understand why your dog died pero dapat naman muna siguradohin ninyo na tama ang accusations ninyo sa st joseph at may sapat talaga kayong basis at hindi lng galing sa internet research kasi hindi naman po nila alam yung kumpletong detalye. Nag assume na po kayo agad na leptospirosis ang skit ng aso ninyo.
And by the way, ito po ang full toxicology report about Imizol from drugs.com where i supposed Ramil got his facts:
Delete"Toxicology:
IMIZOL solution was administered subcutaneously to four groups of five dogs at 2.2, 5.5, 7.7, or 9.9 mg/kg. The treatment was repeated 2 weeks later. There were no effects attributed to IMIZOL on body temperature, body weight, hematology, most clinical chemistries or gross pathology. At 9.9 mg/kg there was a slight increase in serum alanine aminotransferase (ALT, SGPT) and arginine aminotransferase (AST, SGOT) indicative of mild liver injury. Other effects noted were pain on injection, injection site swelling, and vomiting. Two of the injection sites ulcerated but healed readily without complication.
In a 90-day toxicity study, imidocarb was given orally to three groups of eight dogs at the rate of 5, 20, or 80 mg/kg/day. The target organs of toxicity were liver and intestines. These results may have been influenced by the oral dosing route. In a pharmacokinetic study by Abdullah et al (1984)1, imidocarb was administered to dogs intravenously at a dose of 4 mg/kg. One of 13 dogs died. The target organs of toxicity in this dog were lungs and kidneys, and some changes were noted in the liver and spleen.
The toxic syndrome involves lethargy, weakness and anorexia, with possible signs of gastrointestinal, liver, kidney, and lung dysfunction"
Ang tanong, gaano po ba kadaming imizol ang binigay kay milky at ilang beses? Pareho ba ito sa mga binigay sa aso sa experiment? Mahirap kasi yung mag conclude ka lang na nakakamatay ang imizol based on the experiment done on 13 dogs, without taking into consideration yung pinagkaiba ng sitwasyon nila sa sitwasyon ni Milky.
DeleteSorry to hear about Milky. We also lost a pet at St. Jo, which we love dearly, but we do not blame St. Jo for our loss.
ReplyDeleteVets are there to help us, but there are a lot of medical factors that they cannot control despite their effort. Parang sa tao din.
You cannot conclude based on your research if you are not a vet. I also do a lot of research (I'm an engineer), but I cannot conclude any of my medical hypothesis just because I know how to research, do analysis and conclude. I'm not a vet to do that, I do not know other factors that they consider.
I do not know you, but what I know is a discreet, calm & diplomatic approach to this situation will lead you to a solution. Based on your article, it appears you have been aggressive & harrassing, maybe thats why they refuse to respond. Most people will do. I know I will do refuse.
The trick to your case, is discretion.
Our other dog was a victim of surgery malpractice by a well known vet from another clinic. I issued them a letter of complaint, no barangays involved. I demanded a full refund because we are not satisfied & my observations on their vets methods are not acceptable. Then the next day, the vet called up and offered a 50% refund which is really our target. We expressed our disappointment over phone and in person, in a calm way. And thats it.
After that, we sought the assistance of St. Joseph on recommendations, they recommended a surgeon vet from another clinic, and the proper surgery was executed. Follow up check ups were done at St. Jo by Dr. Paul, who we consider very reliable and a favorite vet.
Over all, St. Joseph, and Dr. Paul in particular , mas may puso compared to other vet clinics. They look after our pets, they establish sincere connections with us as their patients, they improve our pets health (except if beyond our control), and most importantly they operate 24 hrs which gives us a peace of mind, knowing we can rely on them round the clock.
I found SEVERAL FAULTS in the case presented in this blog:
ReplyDelete1. WE RUSHED HER TO ST. JOSEPH VETERINARY CLINIC, DUE TO FEVER. WE ONLY WANTED THE VET TO LOWER HER FEVER
-Vets and medical doctors alike know very well that fever is not a disease entity itself but only a sign. A SOUND PRACTITIONER would treat the underlying disease that most likely causes the signs presented by the dog (I prefer using the term "sign" here; "symptom" denoting something that is subjectively felt by the patient and mentioned to the doctor during physical exam, but most likely your dog cannot say that she has a fever). In practice, VETS USUALLY DO NOT TREAT THE FEVER, and giving human antipyretics is actually not recommended. Clearly, you wanted to treat your dog as if you’re treating a human patient.
2. HE BASED HIS COURSE OF TREATMENT, SOLELY ON A CBC TEST! IT’S NOT CLEAR TO US, WHY HE BELIEVED THAT OUR DOG WAS SUFFERING FROM EHRLICHIA. NO TEST WAS DONE TO CONFIRM THE EXACT DISEASE.
-If you researched well enough, you should have known that CBC can show that a dog possibly has ehrlichiosis. Since you have done your research, I would refer you to read what we consider as "Veterinary Bible", The Merck Veterinary Manual:
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/generalized_conditions/rickettsial_diseases/ehrlichiosis_and_related_infections.html?qt=canine%20ehrlichiosis&alt=sh
Note that Ehrlichiosis is caused by an intracellular bacteria that infects a type of white blood cell. Furthermore, a key feature of ehrlichiosis is thrombocytopenia, which is the decrease in platelet count. And I quote from the link above, "Because thrombocytopenia is a relatively consistent finding with these infections, a platelet count is an important screening test." These most likely made the attending vet to consider the condition of your dog as Ehrlichiosis, and being life-threatening, prompted him to inject an anti-ehrlichial drug.
However, I also know that ehrlichiosis is not the only infection that can cause thrombocytopenia, but vets decide the treatment regimen based on their experience. He will not waste his time to exhaust all laboratory tests that can take so much time, if he finds the case to urgently need treatment and if his judgment based on his clinical experience points him that particular disease. It is a “sound hunch” that only experienced and good practitioners, vets and medical doctors alike, do.
3. ALL REMAINING DOGS, TESTED POSITIVE FOR LEPTOSPIROSIS. WHICH PROVED THAT MILKY, DID NOT SUFFER FROM EHRLICHIA.
-your conclusion is invalid. For all you know, Milky might have had leptospirosis and ehrlichiosis at the same time. Furthermore, I don't know how reliable the test for leptospirosis was. If serological testing was conducted, which most likely was, it is not entirely reliable as your dogs may actually test positive for leptospirosis if they have been vaccinated before. Come to think of it, in the history taking, if your dog showed in her record that she has an updated vaccination for parvo, distemper or lepto, these diseases are most likely ruled out.
4. AND SHE WOULD HAVE LIVED LONGER, IF PROPER TESTS & TREATMENT WERE DONE BY YOUR VET.
-You really can't say this because for all you know, the condition of your dog is already too severe for treatment.
5. UPON FURTHER RESEARCH, WE DISCOVERED THAT IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE (IMIZOL®) IS AN OFF-LABEL TREATMENT FOR EHRLICHIA AND IS NOT FDA-APPROVED
ReplyDelete-I don’t know what your source is, but until now, IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE is a well-known drug against blood parasites, such as babesia, but also used for ehrlichia. Since you are doing your research, I also recommend you to refer on the link below:
https://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEQQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isrvma.org%2FImageToArticle%2FFiles%2FVol%252054%25204%2520Canine%2520Monocytic%2520Ehrlichiosis.doc&ei=ASWlUquBMKSziAep7ICwCw&usg=AFQjCNHcgaquUdecOds45szWG142hlQi4Q
I hope you are aware that FDA restriction doesn’t apply in our country. I am aware however, that imidocarb dipropionate can cause adverse reactions to the patients. Nevertheless, a good vet practitioner decides on the treatment regimen based on his experience with his previous patients. Although other therapeutic agents might have been available, the attending vet could have selected imidocarb dipropionate as the best choice for the urgency of the condition.
Honestly, I am a vet, currently taking doctorate studies abroad, about ticks and tick-borne disease (ehrlichia being one). Let me clarify that I don’t find myself in the position to judge whether this was indeed a case of malpractice or not. What I wanted to point out in this lengthy response, also for the rest of the readers of this blog, is that you have to CONSIDER EVERYTHING TO MAKE A SOUND AND UNBIAS JUDGMENT. I don’t have a personal knowledge on your dog’s case, so it will be unfair for me to jump into any conclusion. If you were in doubt that your dog was mishandled, then you should have asked another vet to perform a necropsy (equivalent of autopsy in humans) to find out what really caused the death of your pet.
It is normal and easy to get carried away with emotion. I know that it is hard to lose a beloved pet. As difficult as it is for an owner to lose a pet, believe me or not, it is just as difficult to the attending vet. We took our oath to protect and save the lives of animals. If you think vets just work for money, think again! You are not in their shoes! As for the other readers, IT IS VERY CONVENIENT FOR YOU TO JUMP IN THE BANDWAGON OF CRITICS, YET YOU HAVEN’T HEARD THE SIDE OF THE VET. Remember, in every trial court, the evidences of both sides must be presented before the jury makes the verdict.
Eh bakit hindi ka na lang talaga mag file ng kaso? Kahit yung online vet na tinanong mo hindi rin alam buong kwento mo eh,basta lang nagbigay ng opinion. Sa tanong mo pa lang, nagtatanong ka what the vet did wrong, premise mo may mali na talaga ang vet. Paano ka pa maliliwanagan eh nang husga ka na agad. At least dr. Remz was brave enough to show his face and profile here. Saan na yung mga vets na sinasabi mo? If you cant present them,how do we even know tama ang mga claims mo about them supporting you? Yes we are supporting st joseph anong masama doon? At by the way, siguradohin mo na nakita mo na binigay via IV ang imizol. Pwedi mo yan sabihin under oath and with pain of perjury?
ReplyDeleteIts very clear in st joseph's letter which you printed here the reason kung bakit hindi sila nag attend ng mediation. Bakit hindi mo masagot ang issue nila laban sa kakulangan ng basis ng complaint. Ni hindi mo nga ma validate ang mga source mo ng information. Dapat dumerecho ka sa korte kasi korte lang ang pweding mang husga. Talo mo pa ang judge. Abogado at veterinarian ka na rin ba?
ReplyDeleteHonestly, im not even concerned if st joseph is guilty or not guilty. Mananagot sila kung may pananagutan sila. Ang totoong issue dito ay kung makatarungan ba na mag accuse ng tao ng isang kasalanan na wala kang sapat na basis? Makatarungan ba na husgahan sya at ipagkalat na masama sya kahit wala kang ebidensya? Wala sa kamay mo ang kapangyarihang mang husga! Kung papansinin mo yan pareho ang point nga mga taong nag comment laban sayo. Bakit hindi mo sagutin yan? Dahil lang ba sa ethics hindi kaya mag testify ng mga vet na pinuntahan mo? Kung totoo man sila eh baka kahit sila hindi rin sigurado sa mga pinagsasabi nila. Nasa sayo ang burden of proof para patunayan yang mga pinagsasabi mo, and not the other way around. Si st joseph ang pinag eexplain mo kung bakit hindi sila negligent.
ReplyDeleteMay evidence naman na naisulat.
DeleteMagte-testify yung mga vet na yun pag hiniling na ng korte ang unbiased professional opinion nila. Karapatan rin nila na hindi muna pumayag na ibunyag ang mga pangalan nila in public sa stage na ito.
Regarding sa burden of proof, meron naman researched material ang complainant na cause for her to question the vet. Karapatan niyang tanungin ang mga ito sa harapan ng lupon ng barangay (or sa korte kung umakyat man dun ang kaso). Ngunit ayaw ng respondent sumagot o dumalo man lang sa hearing. In my view, that's already wrong. The patient or "client" has the right to know everything if he/she wants answers. Ang alam ko labag sa batas yun sa medical profession (naka-paskil ito sa lahat ng ospital sa bansa) kung hindi ka sumagot or insufficient ang iyong sagot, sana pareho rin sa vets.
Masama ba na isinulat itong blog post na ito? Asssuming nasulat nga lahat ng correspondence and events, wala namang masama. The facts were presented and then she gave her opinion on the matter. Biased ba? Of course it is. Blog niya ito and opinions are inherently biased. Sinabi ba niya na "pekeng vet" or "walang permit to operate" yung clinic" or anything of the sort? Wala naman sa huling basa ko. Nag-recommend lang siya na wag na dalhin ng readers niya yung pets nila doon. In a way, same rin sa isang restaurant recommendation ang ginawa niya.
Based on what is written on the blog, the clinic has already given reasons for not attending the baranggay mediation. Kahit ako di ako magaattend.For me, they have justified reasons assuming they have already explained to the client beforehand. Siguro naman nagexplain na sina Dr.Manguiat before they released the dog. Ngayon, mukhang di satisfied any owner and they suspect that malpractice was involved. There are certain procedures that must be followed if you want to prove that and hindi sa baranggay ginagawa yun. Sana pinanecropsy nila and waited for the medical report para maimbestigahan. Hindi yung nagpopost ng blog at naninira agad ng reputasyon ng vet. For me, masama na naisulat and blog dahil wala pa namang napapatunayan. Sana lang wag na pamarisan ng ibang client.
DeleteIf this was the reply of the vet na tinanong mo sa US:
ReplyDeleteCustomer :
I've read that Imizol, should only be administered subcutaneously, is that correct?
Is it OK to inject 4 different drugs intravenously without interval?
Vaccines should not be injected to an ill dog, should it also be the same, for Imizol treatment?
Munchiemeadows74337 :
Imizol can be given by subcutaneous or intramuscular injection, never intravenously. I do not know what else was injected into your dog, but many drugs are compatable & can be given in conjunction with one another. It is true that we try not to give vaccines to sick dogs, but Imizol is a treatment for a disease and therefore is only given to a dog suspected or confirmed with babesia or ehrlichiosis. So if you are sure the Imizol was given IV, the drug was given incorrectly. The side effects would probably be similar to that of an overdose, pain & swelling at the injection site, salivation, nasal drip & vomiting. I would need to contact the drug manufacturer to get more info about adverse effects following IV injection. I can do that tomorrow if you would like. Let me know. Thank you.
I find it VERY INAPPROPRIATE to consult this case ONLINE with a vet from another country. There are some differences in the veterinary practice and education among countries. Furthermore, the US-based vet DOESN'T HAVE A PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE on the patient, the patient's history and the case itself. Did the complainant presented all the pertinent facts related to the problem, including the presenting signs prior to bringing the patient to the clinic? It seems that the complainant ONLY CONSULTED A PORTION, OBVIOUSLY OMITTING SOME IMPORTANT FACTS.
DeleteI Know, why you feel strongly about this blog, Remil Galay... Of course, you would defend your friend... That's what friends are for...
DeleteYan ang mahirap, sa ilang vets sa Pilipinas... Nagtatakipan pa ng pagkakamali... That's the very advise, given by the Barangay kagawad, we've spoken to... Hindi siya nagkamali...
Delete: well unfortunately for you sir, the good doctor met your points head-on and presented a clear explanation as to why these points are not valid. and unfortunately for us, you obviously are still reeling from your loss. i am sorry that your pet died. while i accept that there might have been a collapse of communication between yourself and the staff of St Joseph, i find it very malicious of you to recklessly trash the reputation of a professional veterinarian online.
DeleteFirst, I would like to apologize because I forgot to show sympathy with your loss. But Mr. Abrantes, your replies strongly suggests that you are totally IRRATIONAL! Yes, I will not deny that I know the Dr. Manguiat, in fact we graduated the same time in UP College of Veterinary Medicine, although we are not close friends, nor have had constant communication even now. I will not also deny that I worked as a reliever veterinarian in 2007 at St. Joseph right after I obtained my license until the end of that year and Dr. Gette was my former boss. However, YOU MISSED THE ENTIRE POINT OF MY LENGTHY REPLY. Binasa mo bang mabuti at inintindi? I offered a professional opinion. IT ACTUALLY AGREES WITH THE EXPERT OPINION THAT A CERTAIN VET, JCMP, POSTED AHEAD OF ME. Pinakita ko lang na mahina ang claims mo, na mostly nagbase sa research mo sa internet at sa online consultation mo sa isang US-based vet. Did I even mentioned of Dr. Manguiat's competence? Sa tingin ko wala. Ang sinabi ko sa reply ko, A GOOD VET or A SOUND PRACTITIONER. Certainly, I NEVER CLAIMED THAT IT WAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF DR. MANGUIAT. And I even reiterated that I WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO JUDGE WHETHER THIS WAS A CASE OF MALPRACTICE OR NOT. I CHALLENGE YOU! Kaya mo bang sagutin PUNTO POR PUNTO ang mga sinabi ko? Sa panahon ngayon, palibhasa ang mga tao ay may access na sa internet, akala nila alam na nila lahat! MALI! After we finish 6 years of study in the vet school, it takes more years of practice before we can become experts in our field. I am devoted to higher education, that's why I am taking DOCTORATE STUDIES ABROAD. Maraming tao ang NAGMAMAGALING AT NAGDUDUNUNG-DUNUNGAN!
DeleteIf you will file a case in the court, BY ALL MEANS, GO ON! That is you right! Ako mahilig ako manood ng medical detective series. Sa korte, importante ang autopsy report kapag homicide or murder case. Sinabi ko sa taas, sana pina-necropsy mo ang aso para nakitaan sana ng ebidensya na mali nga ang treatment. Pinagawa mo ba? Kahit kasi magsama ka ng sandamakmak na vet, kasama na yung US Vet na kinonsulta mo, mahina pa rin yun dahil nga inisa-isa ko na ang LOOPHOLES NG CLAIMS MO! Isa pa, yung sa BUN, e maraming vet ang may alam nyan na unreliable ang test na yan. Ang tinitingnan namin ay yung SGPT. At isa pa, pwedeng yung infection ang nagcause ng elevationg ng BUN at Creatinine. O professional opinion yan ha!
How I see this case is just a lack of proper communication and client education. Importante kasi sa aming vet practiotioners na ipaliwanag sa kliyente at ipaunawa sa kanila ang kalagayan ng pasyente. I don't know what your dialogue has been because YOU NEVER MENTIONED! Hindi ko alam ang naging pag-uusap nyo nung dinala mo ang aso mo sa clinic at nung kunin mo na ang labi nito. Tinanong mo ba kung ano ang ikinamatay? O dumiretso ka sa bahay at nagsearch sa internet?
The respondent might be guilty of failing to communicate articulately with his client BUT IT IS TOO MUCH TO CHARGE HIM OF MALPRACTICE. Then again, if the evidences point that HE DID SO, then he is liable. As for me, I HAVE SHOWN THAT THE CLAIMS OF THE COMPLAINANT ARE WEAK!!!
at nag screen grab ka pa talaga sir ng picture nya? sa tingin mo kung picture mo screen grab ng ganyan matutuwa ka din? hingi ka naman konting advise sa parents mo baka mapayuhan ka nila ano tamang gawin.
ReplyDeleteKung ang mga nahuhuling kriminal nga di na pwedi i parade sa media ngayon, to protect their human rights, ito pa kayang vet na wala naman malinaw na basis ang accusations sa kanya. Kung tutuusin pwedi rin mag blow up ng pic ni RAMILLE ANGELO ABRANTES at tawagin syang IRRESPONSIBLE BLOGGER, DEFAMER, INTERNET BULLY. BUT we will not resort to that kasi hindi kailangan iwasto ang isang mali sa paggawa pa ng isang mali.
DeleteidontdoflagsDecember 9, 2013 at 3:10 AM
ReplyDeleteMay evidence naman na naisulat.
Magte-testify yung mga vet na yun pag hiniling na ng korte ang unbiased professional opinion nila. Karapatan rin nila na hindi muna pumayag na ibunyag ang mga pangalan nila in public sa stage na ito.
My comment: Then your concept of our legal system is all wrong. You just don't make bare accusations and expect the person accused to prove your accusations wrong. He who alleges must prove it. To follow your concept, everyone would be a sitting duck for vexatious and malicious lawsuits. The court will not allow itself to be an instrument for harassment.
Idontdoflags: Regarding sa burden of proof, meron naman researched material ang complainant na cause for her to question the vet. Karapatan niyang tanungin ang mga ito sa harapan ng lupon ng barangay (or sa korte kung umakyat man dun ang kaso). Ngunit ayaw ng respondent sumagot o dumalo man lang sa hearing. In my view, that's already wrong. The patient or "client" has the right to know everything if he/she wants answers. Ang alam ko labag sa batas yun sa medical profession (naka-paskil ito sa lahat ng ospital sa bansa) kung hindi ka sumagot or insufficient ang iyong sagot, sana pareho rin sa vets.
My comment: It is obvious that Ramille is not looking for answers as to why Milky died. He is out to prove his assumptions that the vets of St. Joseph killed his dog. And it appears his assumptions are backed by bits and pieces of information he got from here and there. The courts will not even consider these as credible evidence and will have to dismiss his complaint. If he truly wants answers, St Joseph could give him Milky's medical abstract, but I suppose he will have none of that because it looks like he will only believe what he wants to believe. Now maybe that is the reason why St Joseph saw no point in attending the barangay proceedings.
Idontdoflags:Masama ba na isinulat itong blog post na ito? Asssuming nasulat nga lahat ng correspondence and events, wala namang masama. The facts were presented and then she gave her opinion on the matter. Biased ba? Of course it is. Blog niya ito and opinions are inherently biased. Sinabi ba niya na "pekeng vet" or "walang permit to operate" yung clinic" or anything of the sort? Wala naman sa huling basa ko. Nag-recommend lang siya na wag na dalhin ng readers niya yung pets nila doon. In a way, same rin sa isang restaurant recommendation ang ginawa niya.
My comment: Id be very concerned if a lot of people will see nothing wrong with this blog post. It is one thing to say you dont like the food, but another to thing to call the cook a crook. Ramille clearly imputed a wrong doing on the veterinarians of St Joseph when he stated as a matter of fact that they are responsible for Milky's death. That is clearly defamatory. He posted pictures of the concerned vet without the latter's consent, obviously to ensure that this vet becomes target of hate and ridicule.
Im sorry for Ramille and his family. I cannot even begin to imagine their grief. But since he said he wrote this blog with a clear mind, then I hope its time he sees clearly what he has gotten himself into. All of us have rights, but your rights end where other peoples' rights begin. If for some reason, the respondents did not heed your request for mediation in the barangay level, you could have filed your case in court. You would be acting well within your rights. But opting to defame the veterinarians in the guise of some noble intention to spare their future victims, I think you already overstepped your boundaries.
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ReplyDeleteHe was trying to prove it. He, together with the barangay, invited the respondent so they could have a discussion on the sad event that transpired. The barangay also doesn't summon residents for a hearing just because a formal complaint was made. The investigator first determines if there is a case before endorsing it to the brgy captain or lupon. If these are all bare accusations then the kapitan would cancel or dismiss (i forgot the right term) the case immediately. I have a feeling you already know all this but for those who are following our argument, maybe this info will be of use.
DeleteLean Manuel - "It is obvious that Ramille is not looking for answers as to why Milky died. He is out to prove his assumptions that the vets of St. Joseph killed his dog. And it appears his assumptions are backed by bits and pieces of information he got from here and there. The courts will not even consider these as credible evidence and will have to dismiss his complaint. If he truly wants answers, St Joseph could give him Milky's medical abstract, but I suppose he will have none of that because it looks like he will only believe what he wants to believe. Now maybe that is the reason why St Joseph saw no point in attending the barangay proceedings."
I think it's difficult and dangerous to predict how the court will react and what they will say. If you are a judge or you've consulted with one regarding this matter, then please disclose it. The info will save Ramille time and money in getting counsel and filling court fees. If you are a lawyer, thank you para na rin kaming nakakuha ng advice na pro bono. =)
Being summoned to a formal hearing is by no means a form of harassment. In fact it was created to not only declog our courts, but also lessen cases of people getting harassed. Harassment, in my imagination only, would be the writer going to the clinic and berating the vet everyday or sending hate text messages until he gets his answers. But he didn't. I defy anyone who says what Ramille did is a form of harassment.
Yes, Ramille, who is in mourning and angry (and rightly so), could be susceptible to only believe what he wants to believe. But he won't be able to do anything about it if the kapitan, or the investigator pa nga lang, told him he has no case to begin with. It's just a matter of him proving it. Unfortunately, St Joseph thinks less of the barangay legal system and decided to stay away instead of answering the accusations and getting it over with once and for all. Interestingly, and this is just a a side note, if the vet reads the blog post above and feels he is being harassed or shamed, step one for him would most probably be the barangay as well.
There are people here who feel that this blog post, or some of parts of it, is uncalled for. I see their point. I certainly wouldn't want to be in the vet's shoes now. Assuming everything written is accurate and he really is just trying to inform readers of his awful experience, i see nothing legally wrong. Does it leave a bad taste in the mouth? I understand that some people will find it so. One recourse is to write a comment like you did and hope that the writer will follow your advise. But what can we do? This is his blog, those are the events that transpired, and, until the vet answers officially in person, Ramille's opinion will be the same and this whole space will remain published for people to read and the notoriety of that clinic will grow (it really does have a bad rep in the neighborhood).
Lastly, i'm never bringing my pet there or to that vet. It's not because i think the people there are incompetent. I have no absolute evidence to prove that. Even Ramille says that he went to the barangay to get an explanation as to why his research contradicts the medical treatment they gave Milky. My problem is if things go wrong as they sometimes do, the won't give a shit.
The charge of negligence is based on the complainant's allegations that the vet committed a wrong doing and this wrong doing directly resulted to his dog's death. The problem with these allegations is that they do not appear to be based on FACTS or supported by FACTS. They are based on his internet research and consultations with other veterinarians who may not have personal knowledge of his dog's illness or possess special knowledge or experience in their field and which could make their opinion superior than that of an average veterinarian. As a result I see a lot of flaws and fallacies in the arguments presented by Complainant, a case in point is his conclusion that Imizol could have killed his dog because in one study, 1 of 13 dogs died after Imizol was given. Yet in the full article which a reader posted ( and which I confirmed later on) it can be seen that the said study was intended to measure the toxicity levels of Imizol and the dogs who were subject of that experiment were intentionally given higher doses and for a longer duration.
DeleteFrom the legal perspective, I dont think the complainant has adequately established his right to charge the respondents of negligence. This is precisely the point of the respondents in their letter to the Lupon. If your accuser does not have the right to accuse you, why would you even want to reach a settlement with him? Why would you even want to dignify his baseless accusations with your presence in a mediation proceedings? Note that the Lupon is not a court and it cannot force a party to the dispute to settle with the other. No settlement means that the complainant can now go and file his case in court, if he has a cause of action.
Ramille is not just voicing his opinions or sharing his awful experience as you put it. In this very public spot in the world wide web, he is calling someone negligent and suggesting that he should be condemned and his license to practice revoked. "How many other dogs and cats in his care has he killed" These are very strong defamatory remarks, this imputes that the veterinarian has killed dogs and cats before. This is legally and morally wrong, on all counts.
We're in danger of repeating ourselves if this goes on. We're also investing too much time already on a case we won't be a factor in. I'm only replying because this deserves to end on a good note. You've presented your opinion and have respectfully replied to mine. I hope i sounded respectful to you as well. My apologies if i wasn't.
DeleteFor as long as their is abuse of rights, Id risk being repetitive.
DeleteThen i encourage you to step up, step out, and personally help the vet prepare for his case.
DeleteLastly, and on a lighter note, "flooding" is forbidden in this part of town. You might get banned if you're repetitive. =)
I actually commend Lean Manuel for giving us his/her legal perspective. I also hope the vet involved could read your posts. I'm not exactly sure if you can ban people here but many posts from from the "against" side were already removed.
DeleteNot a single comment, was removed from this blog... If it says, "This comment has been removed by the author." It simply means that, the commenter removed his/her comment.
DeleteOkay. Thanks for pointing that out. Now, how about replying to the other posts.Enlighten us.
DeleteIn FINDING THE TRUTH, you have to KNOW THE WHOLE STORY and CONSIDER ALL THE FACTS. In this blog, the author obviously DID NOT TELL THE WHOLE STORY and REFUSED TO BELIEVE SOME FACTS OFFERED BY EXPERTS. Of course I'm expecting that he will not take my unsolicited professional opinion because he believes that I'm only giving so to defend the accused. Well that was not my purpose. Kung yun ang purpose ko, e di sana inalam ko yung story mula dun sa accused e kaso, years na since we had communincation. E di sana sinabi ko na tama LAHAT ng ginawa ng vet. E paano ko nga sasabihin na TAMA O MALI yun e hindi ko naman alam ang buong istorya. I only gave my opinion on his side of the story, which I found FAULTY. I would be really interested with the dog's history and the results of the lab test (which the author belittled!) as well as the dialogues during the case presentation and after the dog's death.
ReplyDeleteThis case is HIGHLY TECHNICAL in nature. Above the author mentioned in his reaction to the respondent's letter, and I quote "IF THEY'VE FOLLOWED THE BASICS OF MEDICINE, THEY COULD'VE HAVE PREVENTED SUCH TRAGEDY FROM HAPPENING." What is his knowledge about the basics of medicine anyway? I gave a lengthy response that appeared to be like a lecture, complete with reliable references, to clarify certain points in veterinary practice and THE AUTHOR'S REBUTTAL WAS TO STATE THAT I AM A FRIEND OF THE ACCUSED?
I will not go into legal technicalities. That is beyond my knowledge and I don't want to pretend that I am an expert. But I want to emphasize that this blog is intended to assassinate the reputation of the vet. I DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE ACCUSED HAD NO FAULTS. Perhaps there was a lack of proper communication and consent for treatment was not sought. But the blog readers are also being misinformed with the FACTS SIFTED BY THE AUTHOR, only those that are in favor of him. MALPRACTICE ACCUSATION IS SERIOUS AND REQUIRES CONCRETE FACTUAL EVIDENCE THAT THE AUTHOR FAILED TO PROVIDE.
Ang dami mo pang sinasabi! Kung magiging kasing tanga mo lang rin naman si Paul Jayson Manguiat, itigil mo na yang career mo as a vet! Marami pa kayong mapapatay na hayop! Bagay sa'yo yung tanong ng blogger sa proprietor na si Gette Belchez-Chua:
Delete"AS FOR DRA. GETTE BELCHEZ-CHUA, MY ONLY QUESTION FOR HER IS, WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME THING? WOULD YOU ALSO DECIDE TO TREAT A DOG, WITHOUT PROPER TESTS & DIAGNOSIS? WOULD YOU ADMINISTER, IMIZOL, AN OFF-LABEL DRUG WITHOUT EXPLAINING TO THE PET-GUARDIANS, THE RISKS INVOLVED? WOULD YOU NOT GIVE THE PET-GUARDIANS, A CHANCE TO DECIDE, IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED, WITH THE TREATMENT? WOULD YOU ALSO CHOOSE, TO BREAK THE NEWS OF OUR DOG'S PASSING, THROUGH A TEXT MESSAGE, INSTEAD OF A PHONE CALL?"
"IF YOU ANSWERED YES, TO THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS, IT'S TIME TO CLOSE YOUR DOORS FOR BUSINESS."
Walang kuwenta at mas biased ang mga comments mo!
Resorting to name-calling just speaks a lot about one's character.
DeleteDoctor ka pala kuya, Kala ko kasi kung sinong skwating lang, TIMYAP yang picture mo eh BWUAHAUHAHAHAHAAHAHA!
Deletesquatting naman po sir... wrong spelling wrong!
DeleteIm sorry to say this, pero kahit siguro ako, will not be open to the idea of meeting you face to face to thresh out our issues. Dito pa nga lang you can disregard the expert opinion of a veterinarian even if its fully backed by reference to veterinary textbooks. I wonder kung ano naman ang basis ng mga vets na pinagtanungan mo. The thing is, you are blood thirsty to pin down someone for your dog's death. Sarado na utak mo eh, so what is the use of explaining to you. Kung ako man itong inaakusahan mo, id rather face you in court than in the barangay. Ang korte na magsabi kung sino ang tama sa atin diba? And please lang, dont blame it on the vets who refuse to testify out of ethical considerations. Kung alam ng vet na tama ang opinion nya at paninindigan nya ito, paano nagiging unethical ang pag testify nya.
ReplyDeleteAnd by the way, i really cant help but say this too, sa haba ng opinion ng vet sa taas all you can say is ginagawa nya lang yun para pagtakpan si Dr Maguiat? Im floored. Grabe.
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ReplyDeleteHuwag niyo pansinin yung mga haters, pare-pareho lang naman yung IP address! For sure, sila-sila rin lang yung mga negative comments dito. Pathetic...
ReplyDeleteasan mga ip address sir maki post?
DeleteWhat bothers me most was how this blog was used to ruin one's reputation as a veterinarian. Some people would abuse their "internet freedom" and resort to online bashing/bullying/ranting. Seriously, would this blog full of malicious posts and accusations vindicate the author himself/herself? I think not. It just made matters worst. I am sorry you lost Milky. I am both a vet and a pet owner and I know how it feels to lose a beloved pet or patient. I will not even give further professional opinion as the bases were already coverd by my fellow veterinarians here. I would just say this: there is a proper forum for such complaints and it's not social media.
ReplyDeleteThats exactly my point. Kahit saang profession o field of service naman pwedi mangyari ang negligence. Kaya nga nandyan ang PRC at ang mga korte natin, sila lang ang may power to pass judgment on a LEGITIMATE and VALID complaint. Even if personally puro fallacies ang argument ng complainant, I would still leave that to PRC or the courts to decide. For me, ang issue sa blog na ito ay kung tama ba na gamitin ni Ramille Angelo Abrantes ang freedom of expression nya to label a licensed veterinarian as a dog and cat killer kahit walang katiting na solid evidence, puro assumption nya lang ( which are unfortunately based on incorrect premise)?
DeleteYes I absolutely agree na sa simula may effort to mislead and misinform the public to generate hate towards the vet and the clinic in question. As a friend of the clinic, I know some facts that Ramille conveniently left out of his story, whether sinadya nya or nakalimutan nya lang. Ito yung sequence of events from the time the dog was brought to the clinic for consultation and until the day she passed away. These facts could give possible causes of the dog's death and could clarify why the vet or the clinic should not be blamed for it. Sayang at hindi ko pwedi i disclose dito because the vet and clinic were advised by their lawyers to only speak and give information pag nasa korte na. In fairness kay Ramille, he allowed the other people (vets especially) to comment here and contradict his statements. Even if he still believes the vet killed his dog, these days his readers are no longer quick to believe him and jump and join his hate campaign. Pero kahit ano pa ang gawin ni ramille ngayon sa pag edit ng blog nya, the DAMAGE has been done. Marami na sigurong mga vets ngayon, no matter how good they are, ang matatakot sa mga clients na katulad ni Ramille na naniniwala lang sa kung ano ang gusto nyang paniwalaan. It would be practically useless and hopeless to explain your side sa mga clients na ito, at hihintayin mo na lang na sirain ang reputation mo sa internet kung hindi sila oobra sa korte kasi wala sila ebidensya. Siguro mag iisip na ang mga vets kung tatanggap pa ba ng ganitong mga clients. Dapat nila malaman, they have the right to refuse clients!
ReplyDeleteHere’s a professional opinion from a respected veterinarian, Dr. Raymundo Paredes:
ReplyDelete“It’s our professional responsibility to communicate properly, to our client's desire, for their beloved pets and give the most desired method or procedure for the betterment of our patient. That is besides having the right diagnosis and treatment, to convey to the owner’s knowledge. Of course, as the attending vet, to make known what is best for your client’s pet before you commence to the desired method of treatment. Failure to get an authorization from the client, worst comes to worst; our credibility is at stake… Proper and thorough physical and laboratory findings should be established, to avoid failure or misrepresentation on action taken.”
IMIZOL (IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE) is an anti-protozoan treatment for Babesia canis infection in dogs, drug maybe efficacious against other Babesia sp. has been used to treat Ehrlichiosis but study found that when used alone it did not clear the organism. It is also found effective for hepatozoonosis in dogs.
The action of IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE is thought to act by combining with nucleic acid of DNA in susceptible organism, causing the DNA to unwind and denature. This damage to DNA is believed to inhibit cellular repair and replication. Contraindications/warning- do not use IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE in patient espouse to cholinesterase inhibiting drugs, pesto idea, or chemicals. Veterinarians should consider risk versus benefits before treating dogs with impaired lungs, hepatic or renal function. DO NOT ADMINISTER IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE INTRAVENOUSLY, in cats, puppies and debilitated dogs pre-treatment with atropine or glycopyrolates.
Adverse effect is pain during injection, mild cholinergic signs like silo satin, nasal drip brief episodes of vomiting, panting, diarrhea, ink site inflammation, restlessness, rerelease severe renal tubular or hepatic necrosis. Reported to cause increase incident of tumor formation. Over dosage/acute toxicity, dog receiving of 9.9mg/kg. (1.5x labeled dose) show signs of liver injury (slightly increase liver enzymes). Signs pain swelling at injection site and vomiting. Over dose shows cholinergic signs, vomiting, weakness, lethargic, salivation and adverse changes in liver, kidney, lungs, intestinal function.
For treatment of Ehrlichiosis, a study I quote (Eddlestone s. et al. 2005-2006) demonstrated that IMIDOCARB DIPROPIONATE alone was not effective in clearing E.canis for blood of experimental animal (dogs.)
Whether or not your consent was obtained before imizol was given, whether or not imizol was given subcutaneously or thru IV- these are questions of fact which must be proved in court. Before the court can admit the opinion of Dr Paredes, it would want to know if the good doctor gave it in the context of Milky's case, if he had all the facts presented to him. We challenge you Ramille Angelo Abrantes, ano ang hindi mo na disclose na fact sa buong pangyayari simula nung dinala nyo si Milky for consultation and until she died?
ReplyDeleteThis case, has already been filed with PVMA. And we're still waiting for the comprehensive medical report from that veterinarian... From that report, we would know, what his basis were, for using Imizol... We'd also know, how much of a liar that veterinarian really is... If he would not admit in the report, that he administered the drug intravenously, which is expected... Generally, the longer the explanation, the greater the lie...
Delete@ Say no to internet libel of veterinarians
DeleteParang twitter lang reply ko sayo eh noh? I challenge you din ha, labas mo tunay na pangalan mo. Tago ka ng tago sa username mo na yan hahaha! #duwag #Humahashtag
At least ang mga nag aadvocate against online libel matitino ang arguments instead of resorting to name calling which is really a sign of desperation. Think think think!
DeleteAh ganun, dahil sinabi mo lang that he administered imizol intravenously, it makes the vet a liar if he will insist that he gave it subcutaneously? Its a layman's word versus the statements of a state licensed veterinarian, sino ang mas paniniwalaan ng korte? We shall see. Abangan!
DeleteThis case, has already been filed with PVMA. And we're still waiting for the comprehensive medical report from that veterinarian... From that report, we would know, what his basis were, for using Imizol... We'd also know, how much of a liar that veterinarian really is... If he would not admit in the report, that he administered the drug intravenously, which is expected... Generally, the longer the explanation, the greater the lie...
DeleteI gather from your statements that you are still waiting for the medical report, and from there you will know the vet's basis for giving Imizol. Even without this knowledge, you proceeded to defame him in your blog anyway. What happens if the two of you convened in the barangay and you did not agree to his reasons for giving Imizol. Who will resolve the issue? Is the barangay chairman really in a position to determine who is right? See, this is exactly the reason why I dont believe a malpractice complaint can be resolved in the barangay level unless the vet's fault is so glaring it leaves him with no defenses. I too would not face my complainant in the barangay to avoid being subjected to harrassment. I would rather go to court because the proceedings there is usually more structured and governed by rules. But that us just me. Some vets would settle to avoid inconvenience but this is exactly how impossible clients are created.
Exactly. Posting this blog was a very bad idea. Why couldn't you just wait for the comprehensive medical report?If the author suspects malpractice was involved bakit d niya pinanecropsy.There are certain procedures that must be followed. Wala bang vet na nagsuggest nun since according to the author, he sought opinions from veterinarians within the area?
DeleteYun nga eh, mas madali kasi ang mag create ng blog at malign people in the internet kaysa pumunta sa UP at mag pa necrospy. Kung ganito lahat ng clients, sino pa ang gusto mag practice?
DeleteHindi naman kasi issue dito ang karapatan ng client na mag reklamo kung may maling ginawa ang vet. Ang issue dito LEGITIMATE ba ang complaint? May katiting ba na ebidensya maliban sa salital ang ng client? At pangalawa, may karapatan ka ba na tawagin sya na mamamatay ng hayop? May karapatan ka ba na sirain ang pangalan nya and go as far as posting his picture here to as if to warn people about him. Sagutin mo yan Ramille Angelo Abrantes. And dali lang mag file ng reklamo sa PRC and yet you choose to resort to online defamation. Ask yourself Ramille Angelo Abrantes if you are prepared to face the legal consequence of your actions, and to burden your family with it, kung kelan pa that you are still dealing with the loss of your dog. Hindi lang ito para sa St Joseph ang pinaglalaban ko, I also speak for all the vets and kahit sino who have suffered from the hands of online bullies.
ReplyDeleteI think, you missed, the numerous comments here about the veterinarian's incompetence... Again, this blog was published, a day after the party in question, failed to attend any of the 3 barangay mediations. They couldn't even face us at the barangay, which is a neutral ground... They're definitely hiding something & they should really consult with a lawyer because they might say something that would incriminate themselves.
DeleteInuulit KO, there is a proper forum for such complaints.There was no settlement done through the baranggay so you resorted to blogging about the vet and the clinic involved. Why? To share your experience and give warning to others? You subjected them to hate and ridicule. How would you feel if it was the other way around? There are two sides to every story. Present your own evidence and let the other side present theirs. Do it in the proper trial court if it ever escalates to that.
DeleteNow im curious about this thing with imizol, whats is your basis/evidence to say that this drug was administered intravenously? What? Hello, cant hear it? What? So kung wala ka evidence, you mean to tell me that PVMA or the courts or even PRC will just take your word for it? You word as a layman? Can you even identify each of the drug that was administered? Let me remind you anyone licensed by the state to practice a profession enjoys that presumption of regularity UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE. By the way, what makes you think your victims are not consulting with their legal team? Ikaw ata ang hindi nag ko consult kahit sa first year law student man lang, look kung paano ka magkalat dito sa blog mo, not such a bright idea, or is it? We shall see.
Delete"So kung wala ka evidence, you mean to tell me that PVMA or the courts or even PRC will just take your word for it?" - According to the blogger, the PVMA are already looking into the matter.
Delete"You word as a layman? Can you even identify each of the drug that was administered?" - The PRC was created to help the Filipino people. If not for that government agency, and i guess the PVMA too, your statement would actually work as a lawful although illogical defense.
Neither do i see the logic in your comment that my above statement is an illogical defense. How can it be illogical, in the first place, when the law permits it? The law created legal presumptions to have an orderly and lawful manner of resolving disputes. Are you suggesting then, that the court rule that the vet was at fault merely on the strength of the allegations of Ramille Angelo Abrantes? What if he is the one lying? But you dont really know right? That is why the issues have to be resolved in the proper courts or governing body, before any of you guys start calling him a killer. Ramille Angelo Abrantes is taking the law in his hands, assuming the role of both accuser and judge. Thats a very danger proposition. I wonder how he manages to keep a straight face in saying he has already filed a case with PVMA yet be unrelentless in defaming the vet.
Delete"Are you suggesting then, that the court rule that the vet was at fault merely on the strength of the allegations of Ramille Angelo Abrantes? What if he is the one lying? But you dont really know right?"
DeleteMay the one lying, go straight to hell and burn for all eternity... How else would I know what the vet injected? I've never heard of Imizol before... My parents were with me, we all saw the drug being injected into the fluid stream of the IV tubing...
mag vet ka na lang kaya sir.
DeleteThen why dont you take the witness stand and state that under oath and let the judge do his job? This might be sad news for you, but you are living in an orderly democratic society and you have to abide by the rules of our legal system. Otherwise you are no better than the vigilantes who take the law in their hands. Accuser and judge all in one. If you say that your complaint has been lodge in the PVMA, i challenge you to take off this blog but not before admitting that it was a mistake to defame the vets. NOT that I expect you to do so, though.
Delete"Are you suggesting then, that the court rule that the vet was at fault merely on the strength of the allegations of Ramille Angelo Abrantes?" No, of course not. They should investigate properly before finding fault if there is any.
DeleteIt will also be wrong if they deny Ramille the opportunity to file a case vs the vet just because he is a layman when one of their doctrines is to indeed be the voice of the people and in doing so they will understand what needs to be changed, added, and implemented to uplift the vet profession. Just to be clear, this doesn't automatically mean that they will favor Ramille.
Yes. Mr. Ramille Abrantes has the right or the freedom to file a complaint/case if he feels that the veterinarian should be liable for his dog's death.No one is denying him that opportunity. The vet also has the right to protect himself and not be subjected to shame and ridicule online. This actually applies to everyone. One must not abuse his freedom.
DeleteThis author needs to consult with a lawyer because he really needs serious legal advice right now. He seems to be unaware of the consequences of his actions.
ReplyDeleteOr since mahilig sya mag research, bakit hindi nya rin i research ang civil code of the philippine( on torts and damages), revised rules of court, at ang revised penal code of the philippines( on libel). At ito ang latest supreme court ruling regarding sa pag file ng libel if the defamation was published in the internet.
ReplyDeletehttp://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/jurisprudence/2010/may2010/184800.htm
Perhaps he'll post his lawyer's opinion here next time. Let's wait and see.
ReplyDeleteDiba UP grad ung vet? Taga UP din kasi ako at kinakati akong i post ang link ng blog na to sa Overheard sa UP sa facebook. At ng pagpyestahan ng batikos itong si blog author. Kaso nagiisip din ako at nagconsult ako sa lawyers ko (echus!), wag na lang baka ma libel ako at ma karma me. Pero naisip ko din sa The LB Files na lang kaya LOL
ReplyDeleteBy all means...
DeleteThat's actually a brilliant idea! So veterinary students, would learn from the veterinarian's mistake...
Deleteoo nga sir matututo sila paano umiwas sa mga ganto na clients.
DeleteNakakatawa yung mga comments ng haters, madaling araw pa nag sisicomment, Di kayo makatulog? Eh ano naman ngayon kung gumawa yung blogger ng blog? Nahihiya ba yung doctor sa selfie niya? hahaha! DAMI KONG TAWA SA PICTURE AMP!!!! Chaka gamiting niyo nga yung mga totoong pangalan niyo, CATS AMP, Say no to internet libel of veterinarians? eye on the prize? Wala ba kayong BALLS? Lagay niyo mga tunay niyong pangalan, nag tatago pa mga loko hahaha! Taga bf homes din ako at alam ko yang clinic na yan, nag dala na rin ako ng aso dyan. Bilib ako sa blogger na to dahil hindi siya nag tatago sa ibang pangalan, talagang nilagay niya real name niya dito, sana etong mga haters na to na may nalalaman pang lawyers (As if meron) Eh mag lagay din kayo ng totoo niyong pangalan, DUWAG MUCH? Nyahahaha!
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DeleteEh di makikitawa kami sayo LOL. Cant help it, masyasong passionate itong group namin sa paglaban sa mga internet bullies. Were just here to post counter arguments. If you call us haters, ano naman tawag nyo sa mga tao dito who calls the vet tanga, killer atbp?
desperado, why dont you come to your senses?
DeleteA CLASSIC INTERNET TROLL
Deleteana concepcion? Kaano ano mo si KC concepcion? Hahahaha! Natatawa lang kasi ako sainyo hindi niyo malagay mga tunay niyong pangalan. @ana concepcion Why so serious? Hahaha! @say no to internet libel of veterinarians: Nabubully ka na ba? Wag ka iiyak hahaha! Ako sanay na sanay na ko sa sagutan ng mga blog, forums, youtube comments. Nabansagan na nga ata akong troll king. Eto lang masasabi ko sainyong dalawa. Welcome to the internet, I'll be your guide
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Delete#Epal #Nuffsaid
At least kami may valid points, eh kayo puro below the below, but hey you are a self confessed troll right? Okay lang, youre keeping things interesting especially in the wee hours of the night when we have to be awake and toil on our advocacy. Epal na kung epal haha! #proudepal
Deletekapatid ko siya, why?
DeleteWhatever helps you sleep at night Anthony Dela Paz.. Call us whatever you want. The bottom line is our arguments actually make sense and yours don't. Panggulo kumbaga.
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DeleteBottom line? Boy abunda ikaw ba yan? HAHAHAHA! Ang saya nga mang gulo dito eh, mashado kasi kayong seryoso. Puso mo baka atakihin ka hahahaha!
@Say no to internet libel of veterinarians
Oh you're still here HAHAHAHA! Eto lang masasabi ko sayo "RIP ENGLISH" HAHAHA! Mga comment mo mali mali pa grammar, mag tagalog ka na lang hihi #EpicFail #TryingHARD
brother, asan ang maling grammar paki explain?
Deleteasan sir icorrect mo nga sir....
sir enjoy na enjoy ako sir parang kinikiliti ako sa tenga sa panghaharot mo, na aarouse ako sir.
Deleteikaw din iho maghanap ka na rin kaya ng abogado mo, baka sakali ma advice ka nya ng maayos. lab yu!
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ReplyDelete@ana concepcion ABOGADO BA? Bigyan kita ng AVOCADO masarap yun. Lab yu? Jejemon ka pala hihi
ReplyDelete@anthony gandahan mo naman post mo ang corny ng avocado joke, iba naman.
ReplyDelete@anthony ayusin mo sir para namang hindi ka troll king gandahan mo pa
ReplyDelete@ana concepcion: nakalimutan mo mag lagay ng jeje HAHAHAHA! #jejemon #iyakin
ReplyDeleteang corny iho, wala na na mas kukupal pa jan?
ReplyDelete@ana concepcion
ReplyDeleteCorny ba? Sorry kung umiiyak ka na, pikon ka na ata, words mo kasi pang walang pinag aralan hihi, babae ka pa man ana concepcion. #Yuck #PikonSiATE
hindi pa sir malungkot lang, sana kasi sir carino brutal na sabihin mo sir, dun ako mas nag eenjoy.
Deletemeron naman ako sir pinag aralan hindi nga lang ako tapos ng college, pero may work na ako sir. mahirap lang kasi kame. ikaw sir?
DeleteKung ako sayo tapusin mo muna college mo bago ka mag comment dito, kaya ka hindi nakatapos eh nakiki epal ka pa kasi dito hahaha! Kung gusto mo ate pasok kang katulong dito samin, baka mas mataas pa mapa sweldo ko sayo. Chaka mahirap ka lang pala eh, sayang yung binabayad mo sa internet cafe kakacomment mo dito. Pang bili mo na lang ng bigas yang ate HAHAHAHA! #Poor
Deletekasambahay? pwede rin sir, pagsilbihan kita sir, wala naman sakin sir problem kahit mahirap lang ako, importante, busilak ang kalooban ko sir, parang buko? ikaw sir anu ka?
Deletepatapos na rin ako sir sa UP ng course ko sir, malapit na sa awa ng Diyos.
bilhan mo nga ako sir fon, naka nokia 3210 lang kasi ako black and white pa po.
internet? naka wifi po kapit bahay namen naki usap lang po ako pwede humingi password?
pasencia na sir, turn pn talaga ako sir sa bullies, cge pa sir, cge pa. tsalap tsalap
Im a product of the UP College of Veterinary Medicine, with several years of experience under my belt. This year, we had two clients who bashed our clinic in the internet. Now that's relatively fewer than what other clinics encounter. We have waivers for everything. We turn down or ban unreasonable and potentially difficult clients. With this incident, we have come up another waiver. The client will undertake not to resort to online bashing or any activity designed to damage the reputation of the clinic, that any complaint on the issue of negligence must be substantiated by valid evidence ( example a duly signed and sworn second opinion by a third party veterinarian ) and must be filed in the proper courts or before PRC. Violation of this undertaking is a breach of contract and will entitle the vet to damages.
ReplyDeleteImpossible clients are getting to be one of the major hazards of this profession, and that hazard is magnified by the ubiquity of social media. How conveniently they can destroy your career and cause you many sleepless nights without even lifting their butts off their chair. I practice defensive veterinary medicine and this is really the way to survive in this rough times.
mukhang umalis na ang troll, sir balik ka sir, miss na kita....
ReplyDeleteHello! Sorry nawala ako, may mga ibang bagay kasi ako ginagawa sa buhay ko, ikaw ba wala? Naka focus ka lang ba dito? Pfft! #GetALife
Deletepwede ba ako maging chaperone mo sir? bum kasi ako sir eh. pls?
DeleteSorry ate hindi ka qualified sa position na yan. College graduate lang ang pwede HAHAHAHA! Mag tapos ka muna ng college ate! Tapos hire kita okay? Bilis mo mag reply ate! Bum nga siya haha! #Kawawa
Deletebum na bum to the maximum level.
Deletepalamunin pa kamo.
madame naman tayo na bum dito di ba?
From what I heard in the grapevine, maraming vets in Paranaque ang ayaw din sa mga Abrantes. When they visit a particular clinic, walang gusto humawak ng case nila. Not that this info has any relevance considering chismis lang, but it gives an idea why no vet would want to come out and give a second opinion. And its not because gusto lang pagtakpan ng isang vet ang fellow vet nya. Maraming vets ang naiinis at naiinsulto sa ginawa nya in defaming this vet in the internet, maybe he does not know it because these vets are not internet savvy, or are just decent enough not to back bite their clients in the internet.
ReplyDeleteYour statement is extremely funny! We are a long-time client of Animal House and that's in Muntinlupa... We've never had problems with that veterinary clinic, they are very systematic and careful with handling our pets. They run tests & never failed to explain their diagnosis, to their clients. I wish they operated 24/7, we would have brought Milky there... I repeat, your statement is extremely funny! What do you call, the opinion we got from Dr. Raymundo Paredes? You can't represent each and every veterinarian in the Philippines and put words in their mouths. They actually despised what you did... They even advised us on the next steps to make. You're now actually, very well known among your colleagues in the veterinary field, for what you did... Kumbaga, nabibilang ka sa mga bulok na kamatis, in your profession...
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DeleteAs Iv said, chismis lang ito Ramille Angelo Abrantes. No reason to get all worked up :)
Deleteoo nga sir baka makarating ka bataan after neto, magpapaturok ka lang ng rabies.
DeleteLast time I checked, Animal House is in Muntinlupa... And please, Paul Jayson Manguiat, stop hiding under aliases. You're sounding more and more pathetic as days go by... Nobody from Animal House, defended you from what you did. They were actually shocked beyond belief. Tsimoso ka nga talaga...
DeleteOh how i wish youd know right now kung sino sino kami. But instead of getting all excited on who we really are, why dont you start answering our issues against you?
DeleteAnyway, we hardly expect the vet to defend himself here...he is too mild and benign for that. He probably would prefer to suffer in silence. That is why we took the cudgels for him. How about you, who us taking the cudgels for you in saying that it is alright to defame people? The trolls here are not helping at all, they just make you look desperate. Posting the vets picture here without his consent, is that all you got? Tsk tsk.
Deleteminsan kasi sir totoo din ang motto na good riddance, mas mabuti pa wala na lang kaysa meron pero sakit naman ng ulo.
DeleteAnother thing, did the author even bother to consider that maybe they were also at fault here? Updated ba mga shots, deworming? Do they practice routine tick and flea preventive treatment etc?Bakit nagka lepto di umano yung ibang dogs? Please stop playing the blame game and ponder on this. There are a lot factors involved here.
Deletedaga! takot ako sa daga sir! you mean nag piplay play ang daga with the dogs?
Deletedi ba dapat may bakuna ang lepto?
proud na proud ka na lepto sakit ng aso mo? nakakahawa kaya yun sa tao at ibig sabihin nun madumi.
Delete@ ana concepcion
DeleteMas madumi ka pa sa daga ate hahahhahahaa! Nakakatawa tong babae na to, halatang skwater ka ate, yung sinusunog mong oras dito sa blog na to ang dami, kung ako sayo ate mag trabaho ka na lang para naman umasenso ka, hindi yung umeepal epal ka lang dito, ana concepcion? di mo pa ginawang alma concepcion HAHAHAHA! SHUSHUNGA SHUNGA! Mga mahihirap talaga pare pareho, mamalimos ka na lang sa tabi tabi, kawawa ka naman pati pamilya mo wala na ata kayo makain. #Kadiri #Kawawa #Poor
lenguahe ba ng lalake ang shushunga shunga? conpermed ka nga koya!!!!
Deleteayusin mo post mo next time, pati ba naman dito hindi mo maitago? haha
dame ko tawa.
kaya pala kahit nang lalandi na ako sayo dito hindi mo ko pinapansin? shushunga shunga kasi ako, now i know!
Deletecge koya gawin nating alma concepcion name ko, mahilig ka naman pala talaga sa mga beauty queen, mag kulutan tau.
DeleteNako kung fu panda talaga to, alam ko ikaw ang bakla dito eh HAHAHAHAHA! Post ko ba pic mo? HAHAHAHA! #PASABOG
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ReplyDeleteSeryoso mashado kuya? Apektado ka mashado ah hahaha! Galit na galing lang si kuya HAHAHA! Ikaw ata yung doctor na may #selfie dito sa blog eh. Kaya siguro galit na galit ka kuya kasi nakikita ng marami yung selfie mo HAHAHAHA! :))
DeleteBelieve it or not, I have no strong desire to prove my identity because that is not the issue here. How about you, what is your good and justifiable motive for trolling? Why dont you defend Ramille Angelo Abrantes and answer the issues against him. Point by point? :)
Deletetsismosa ako sir, Tsismosa.
Delete@anthony, sir mag english ka sir, ayan o sagutin mo si libel tinatanung ka nya. dali!
DeleteI think Ramille Angelo Abrantes should be comfortable with the idea that for as long as he continue defaming vets, we are here to counter his defamatory statements point by point. Intelligent readers would notice that until now Ramille Angelo Abrantes has failed to squarely tackle the valid and logical issues we have thrown against him. Instead he relies on non sequitors, argumentum ad hominem, and faulty argumentation that would probably make his Philosophy teacher cringe in shame. But we are not discouraged. It only shows how he is grasping at straws now to justify his acts of defaming a person who has not been adjudged guilty of a wrong doing.
ReplyDeleteIntelligent readers of this blog would know that we have no interest whatsoever in proving the innocence of the vet in question. We will gain nothing from it. Instead we are here to challenge the validity of the arguments of Ramille Angelo Abrantes, because he feels that with these arguments, it is justified to malign a person's reputation, to subject him to hate and ridicule. We condemn the patent abuse of the freedom of expression just because social media is omnipresent in our lives and it does not take much to destory a person's worth. How many people suffer in silence, how many people are driven to take their lives because of torment from internet bullies. That is what we are fighting for, and that is why we provide the counterflow thought here.
ReplyDeleteI just want to share this link to the author and to all veterinarians out there.http://vetsbehavingbadly.blogspot.com/2013/11/an-open-letter-to-next-generation-of.html
ReplyDeleteHope you will able to read this, Dr. Paul Jayson Manguiat. This is so timely. http://vetsbehavingbadly.blogspot.com/2013/11/an-open-letter-to-next-generation-of.html
ReplyDeleteSa totoo lang wala ng pupuntahan tong usapan na to. Kasi paulit ulit na lang mga taong nag cocomment dito, walang katapusan sila ate at kuya, todo effort, chaka kahit anong gawin niyong pag defend dun sa doctor wala narin, marami ng nakabasa netong blog na to, sikat na si kuya #Selfie dito sa bf homes hahaha! Hindi na ko babalik sa clinic na yan, ang baho baho sa loob at ang dumi pa. Chaka mga nag tatago sa ibang username mga tao dito, sana matapang din sila at ilagay nila ang tunay na pangalan nila dito. Oh well! Kahit ano pa sabihin natin lahat dito, hindi na maaalis samin mga taga bf homes na matakot sa doctor #selfie na yan, sa mga comment pa lang ng ibang tao dito masama din ang naranasan nila sa clinic na yan, Kung baga DAMAGED na ang reputasyon nila. Tama si idontdoflags, Parang review lang yan ng isang restaurant, tignan niyo yung chicboy at sinangag express, nablog at post din yung kapalpakan nila sa social network, may nagawa ba sila? Sikat pa yun ah! Hindi mo mapipigilan ang isang tao pakita kung ano naging experience niya sa isang lugar or tao, karapatan niya kasi blog niya to, kung gusto niyo gumawa din kayo ng blog niyo hahahahaha! Mga tatanga tanga talaga, ano gusto niyo sabihin ng blogger? pupuriin niya yung doctor kahit palpak naman ang ginawa? Mag isip nga kayong mga bobo kayo. Nag share lang siya ng experience siya, wala akong nakikitang masama dun. Para sakin hindi siya internet bully, isa siyang customer ng clinic na yun at nag share ng experience niya sa clinic na yun, hindi niyo mapipigilan ang mga tao mag bigay ng review about something na nasubukan nila, good or bad man tanggapin niyo, kapag pumasok kayo sa isang business matuto kayo tumanggap ng good and bad reviews about sa business niyo. Ano ba gusto niyo puro good reviews lang? Nag business ka pa diba? Ano to lokohan? Tanga amp. Para sa mga vet dito na BUTTHURT, Wag na kayo mag doctor/vet kung ayaw niyo mabigyan ng bad review, kasi hindi kayo perfect, mag kakaron at mag kakaron kayo ng good and bad review sa ginagawa niyo. At mag kakamali at mag kakamali kayo. Tao lang tayo lahat dito mga ulol. HAHAHAHAHA!
ReplyDeleteApparently, Hindi mo talaga maiintindahan and mga posts namin. We, as vets are aware na hindi lahat ng clients e masasatisfy sa min. Tanggap namin yon e kahit San namang profession or field ganun. I don't know what field you are in pero pag nangyari sa yo ang nangyari Kay Dr. Manguiat Ewan KO lang kung ano magiging reaction mo. And how sure are you na mali talaga ang vet dito. Di mo ba naisip na baka may pagkukulang din ang owner and baka d naman kumpleto ang nakasulat sa blog niya? Oo, tao tayong lahat supposedly pero yung iba parang hindi tao kung makaasta.
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DeleteSasabitan na kita ng medal dyan. Ikaw ba alam mo buong storya nila? Kasi kung mag salita ka parang alam mo lahat ng nangyare, ikaw siguro si Dr. Manguiat A.K.A Dr.Selfie? Pareho lang tayo dito na wala dun nung nangyare yung issue na to. Sila lang ng blogger ang nakakaalam ng buong storya, pero kung mag salita ka kasi parang nandun ka and alam mo yung buong storya, bakit ko sasabihin sayo kung ano field ko, close tayo? Ano to get to know stage? Para sakin kasi wala ng pupuntahan yung usapan dito. Bawat basa ko paulit ulit, meron pa nalalaman na proper platform, eh pag kaalam ko gusto makausap ng blogger yung doctor sa barangay pero hindi siya sumipot, ano yan guilty? Kung wala siyang ginawang masama bakit siya umiiwas? Kaya nga siya pinatawag para makapag usap sila dun, para sakin dun pa lang mali na yung doctor. Nag mumuka tuloy siyang guilty pag ganun. Siguro kung pumunta si Doc selfie nun baka wala tong blog na to. Sabi mo pano pag sakin nangyare ang nangyari kay Dr. Selfie? Eto lang masasabi ko, kung nasa tama ako pag tatanggol ko sarili ko, pero kung mali ako, at kasalanan ko talaga yung nangyare sa aso, aba shempre hindi ako mag papakita dun sa blogger, di rin ako aattend sa barangay, shempre matatakot ako at mahihiya sa ginawa ko, wala akong mukang ihaharap hahaha! Ganun naman gawain ng mga guilty diba? Ang mag tago. At sino nga naman ba ang mag nanakaw na umamin nyahahaha!
Well, obvious naman na you agree with the blogger based on your previous comments na rin. Wala naman akong sinabi na alam ko and buong istorya. I've read this blog and I've heard the side of the clinic involved,mind you kaya napapaisip ako. Wala namang masama sa pagbibigay ng opinyon regarding this blog, yun ang purpose ng comments section. Regarding sa d nila pagsipot sa baranggay, binigay nila ang reasons nila. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's guilty. He will defend himself in due time kung kinakailangan at sa tamang lugar. Isa pa, if you think n walang pupuntahan ang usapan na to e bakit ka pa nageexert ng effort sa pagpost. Wala akong magagawa kung ganyan and mindset mo.Do mo rin mababago opinion ko e so why bother arguing?
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Deletedoc wag mo kausapin yang patient mo na yan? vet ka remember? nakalimutan mo na ba? hindi mo kinakausap patient mo kahit unggoy pa sya. nagtataka nga ako paano nakakatype ang unggoy eh?
Delete@anthony dela paz: e di wag ka kumain sa chicboy, bakit pinipilit ka ba lumunok ng pagkain nila?
ReplyDeleteat wag ka rin pumunta sa vet clinic na yun, hindi ko kasi sure kung nanggagamot sila ng unggoy doon. last time i check hindi naman.
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DeleteSabay pa kayo nag sisicomment hahaha! Kausap ba kita? Hanap ka ng kausap mo ate, chaka mag tapos ka nga muna ng college bago mo ko kausapin okay? #Epal
marunong pala sila magsulat! dapat dito dalhin sa perya!
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ReplyDelete@ ana concepcion
DeleteTulad ng sabi ko mag tapos ka muna ng college bago mo ko kausapin ate. Nakalunok ka ng ipis ate? Hindi ba yun ang ulam niyo sa bahay araw araw? Ikaw naman nagalit ka eh sanay ka naman kumain ng ipis hahahaha! At nag tira ka pa ng paa ng ipis? Nahiya ka pa sana inubos mo na hahahaha! Chaka eh ano kung hindi ka gumawa ng blog or fb and twitter status about sa nangyare sayo? Ikaw yan eh, iba iba ang tao, wag mo itulad sayo hahaha! tong skwater na to, wala ka na nga makain nag cocomment ka pa dito, pang bili mo na lang kasi ng bigas yan, atleast may nakakain pa kayo ng pamilya mo, masama na kung masama, wala akong pake sa iisipin mo hahahaha! Gusto nila gumawa ng blog eh, ano magagawa mo? Mag hubad ka sa EDSA ate tapos sumigaw ka ng DARNA! Or kung ano man trip mo sa buhay gawin mo, hindi ka namin papakelaman. HAHAHAHA! Pag comment ko may sagot agad ang mga tukmol na to, sabay sabay pa nag cocomment, iisang tao lang ba kayo? hahahaha! Nakakatawa pikon na pikon ka na kasi, nararamdaman ko yung rage sa mga reply mo hahahaha! WOOO PIKON!!!! HAHAHAHA!
darna? hahaha darna talaga sure ka koya?
Deletepag nakita mo kong naka darna ewan ko na lang kung makapagsalita ka pang ganyan sa alindog ko, campus babes kaya ako. baka hingin mo pa number ko, sa UP ako ha? hindi sa kung saang school lang.
ReplyDeletehalata naman sa pagsusulat mo pa lang dito na hindi ka pinagpala ng brains.
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DeleteCampus babes ba? Eh ang balita ko kamuka mo daw si kung fu panda hahahaha! #TheReturn
Deletepakalalake ka muna brother, hindi tayo talo.
Deleteayusin mo mag post brother yung medyo may kilig at tawa factor naman sa mga magbabasa kasi parang walang brains ka kung magsulat, ayusin mo. parang mema lang, mema sulat, mema ukray. sayang ng avid readers natin. good luck sau!!!
ReplyDeletedarna pala ha darna! dito pa lang pala conpermed na. lol
ReplyDeleteNakow! Talaga tong si kung fu panda! Ahit ka muna ng balbas mo, ana concepcion? Campus babes? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Bitch please
DeletePapicture ka ulit ng jumpshot hahahaha! Kung fu panda pero yogi bear ang ichura, ahit ahit din ng bogte pag may time hahahaha!
DeleteOur most heartfelt sympathies for your loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. These people, who claim to "love" animals in the veterinary world, believe that they can do whatever they want to our pets, and no one should ever question them! They have made damn well sure, that it remains virtually impossible to get justice when our pets are injured or killed. This has become a vicious cycle because there is no accountability. It emboldens them further, to act with disregard and impunity, arrogance, and the "God-Complex" that allows them to mete out death to our loved ones on a veritable whim. Thanks to this veterinarian, who is now famous as "DOC SELFIE" your poor Milky, died alone with strangers, which for me, is the real tragedy.
ReplyDeleteI am a proud daddy of 3 Shih-Tzu puppies and it makes me even more disgusted by this veterinarian's wrong-doings! I've lost beloved pets before but none through malpractice. It's unbelievable, how someone's still defending this bastard! Pardon my french, but these sons-of-bitches, must be so proud of themselves!
I have never set foot in that veterinary clinic before and have no plans on doing so. I would also warn my friends & family. My 10-year-old daughter, stumbled upon this blog and hurriedly gave me her iPad, for me to read. Thanks for the heads up, buddy!
You have immense love for your dog! Milky's final resting place shows, how much she meant to your family. Stay strong & God bless.
I am anxious to see, how the PVMA would handle this complaint. I pray to God, that the rotten system we have, here in the Philippines, has not reached their good office. I will be keeping an eye on this blog.
So, the vet has not submitted the medical report yet? He might well, end up documenting self-protective fictions...
ReplyDeleteFor all you know, the vet could be the one telling the truth.
DeleteMy thoughts exactly...
DeleteWhat is Veterinary Abuse? #2 and #3 hits the nail on the head!
1.) Any form of deliberate mistreatment -- physical battering, psychological torment, or medical abuse -- of a living, sentient being by a veterinarian for the purpose of inflicting pain, suffering, fear, injury, or to cause death; or the negligent mistreatment by a vet who does not adhere to the statutes of his profession regarding standard of care resulting in needless suffering
2.) The deliberate administering or withholding of medical treatments known to cause any of the above, or to use medical knowledge or other means in order to achieve a personal agenda that overrides or interferes with the guardian's right to make health care decisions for their pets
3.) Abuse of client trust by misrepresenting the medical condition of an animal; withholding information from a guardian in order to control patient outcome or client choice; lying to client about treatments administered or not; falsifying patient charts, lab results, or other medical records; withholding patient records from the client and/or the state veterinary board when requested
4.) Abuse of public trust by false advertising, lies, manipulations, or misrepresentation of facilities, skills, or specialties
5.) Abuse of staff members by making them accomplices in known wrongdoing by threatening their present jobs or future employment; using threats, bribes, or intimidation to guarantee their silence and continued cooperation
6.) Abuse of clients or staff in the form of threats, verbal or physical assaults, displays of rage or violent temper, or by any intimidation tactic designed to inflict emotional distress or physical injury or to instill fear
7.) Abuse of position as doctors and licensees of the state by interfering with or manipulating board, civil, or criminal justice systems in order to escape accountability for actions; abusing or manipulating any system that was designed to protect the public and our pets and instead using it to protect veterinarians.
I am a 3rd year college student, from SISC and I am seriously seeing myself as a veterinarian in the near future. I know this profession is not going to be easy (dealing with lives and everything) but at least, I have an idea on what kind of veterinarian, I have no plans on becoming. I'm hugging my baby Sugar, right now.
ReplyDeleteI read more horror stories, about St. Joseph Veterinary Clinic here:
http://www.femalenetwork.com/girltalk/index.php?topic=90812.120
Warning lang mga sis, especially for those who live in the Alabang/Las Piñas/Parañaque area. Do not go to the St. Joseph Animal Clinic inside BF Homes, Parañaque. Aside from having incomplete tools and equipment, they also have the inept and unprofessional veterinarians.
My bf's dog, Drew, died in their hands last Friday (February 23), because they had to "outsource" the exams (blood tests, X-Rays, etc). He was admitted the night before (February 22), around 10:00 PM. Drew was diagnosed with heat stroke so they doused him with cold water. They also recommended that Drew be confined so they could run tests, since his temperature was fluctuating. For reasons that I could not understand, they only run the tests in the morning, around 8 AM - nine hours after he was admitted. This, when they already said that our baby's condition was critical.
Drew suffered a seizure around 1 PM. The vet (named Des) called my bf to tell him that they had put him on IV and that he was already breathing through an oxygen tank. When asked what the tests yielded, she said that the results weren't in yet and that she was already panicking. A professional wouldn't say that. A professional would have presence of mind and do everything possible to save our dog.
Our baby died at 1:30 PM, without being given proper treatment, due to the lack of information. Thankfully, he slipped into a coma and into oblivion, instead of suffering any further. Still, that does not dull the pain and anguish that we feel. The hours that those st*pid vets wasted could have saved Drew's life.
So please ... spare yourselves the hassle and do not patronize this establishment. You'll only be wasting your time and money and putting your pet's life in danger. >:(
Na-feature pa daw sa TV, coz a celebrity's pet died there... Tsk!
DeleteOk sa Animal House... Professional sila and matiyaga sila mag paanak... Yun ibang vets kasi caesarean na agad para less hassle and mas kikita sila.. Pangit nga yun sa bf (St. Joseph Veterinary Clinic.) Namatay mga kittens namin don dahil hinde sila marunong.. Never ko dadalhin don pets ko.. Tsaka alam ko na feature na yun shop nila sa isang showbiz show because yun pet ng isang artista. namatay rin don..
I wish, I've read this thread sooner! I'm sure, you'd be a great vet in the future. If it is truly your passion, then pursue it.
DeleteBy all means, if you want to pursue Veterinary Medicine then go ahead. It is definitely a very challenging but rewarding profession. Your post is quite similar to the author's but hopefully, if you do become a vet, maybe you can understand how/why Drew died. You will be able to understand by then,why we,us vets, feel so strongly about this blog.
ReplyDeleteNOT THE WORST VETERINARY CLINIC, FOR NOTHING! BEWARE! STAY AWAY FROM THIS CURSED PLACE. BUT DON'T TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT, EXPERIENCE THE HORROR, FOR YOURSELF!
ReplyDeleteI think their ego would only stop them from being better. They let it get in the way and fail to realize, that just because they spent many years and money on an education, it doesn't buy common sense or give them all the information there is to be had. It is not expected for them to have all the answers readily available, but as professionals, they should be able to set the ego aside, enough so they could at the very least consider all/other possibilities. They seem more interested in being right...
ReplyDeleteBe sure you look for and find an ethical, empathetic, competent veterinarian who does not have a "God-complex" and feels he/she is "untouchable." I may be right down the street, almost opposite their clinic but will drive as far as I have to for my dogs, so they get the care that they need as well as be heard and shown the respect I am due as their parent. For all of these reason, if there is no emergent need, I will take my dogs somewhere else. I am not even comfortable with them injecting my pets with any vaccines.